Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'mathematics': 0.04; 'referring': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'consistency.': 0.09; 'precedence': 0.09; 'symbols': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; '(the': 0.15; 'do,': 0.15; '153': 0.16; 'fond': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'precedence.': 0.16; 'symbols,': 0.16; 'threw': 0.16; 'warrior': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'mathematical': 0.17; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.21; 'stick': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'rules': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'actual': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'consistency': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'quoting': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'notes': 0.30; '(and': 0.32; 'doubt': 0.33; 'right?': 0.33; 'strict': 0.33; 'symbol': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'replaced': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'far': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'page': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'world': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'making': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'decided': 0.65; 'iron': 0.65; 'jul': 0.65; "today's": 0.66; 'absolutely': 0.84; 'archaic': 0.84; 'centuries': 0.84; 'chemical': 0.84; "it'd": 0.84; 'edition': 0.86; 'same,': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sZgVvD8ORbGjLRGZI8edjFZwwRcCjniDz6wFEJPDpz0=; b=Jb2ccti9Ky1jGs6UN63BjOATyYsXzDtihZHrmjmhavXG6nek2vh0o+kJ9UxKAx67qy XCXj/jH5fJi0GbMFgkfS1fdJyWoHlGxclCtrl00sl/O/KlcRFFa4NrYT9eopnI4Xbz1e 9pL0lVvMNAGUOYZhA+vfGjB6GA0IL0/GOoG0OmVO+gYUReb3RC0VV1asFzXgAcqxC2ji 2IUTP8cuaoxuATBNfEQHDASPqEXK5cbjSlvhufqY5xpLO4tCFGiJrz5hegXRJF+NxJGe XbX2GLj7MXvxXxvInxYnj1ycoEFc6S3SAfld0RkgmtclH0JFaRU2MoOznzDkTwvRLdzT Zu7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ff24384$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <6c39594f-79cb-4d4f-967e-bbc3f68cdbdf@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <4fed59b7$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <2662370.TGmo96CKe1@PointedEars.de> <87wr2oecf6.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> <4FEF7117.7000109@jollybox.de> <4fefb0ad$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <43f27741-bd1b-4c15-9822-c196b8b0396e@x39g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> <4ff24384$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:22:55 +1000 Subject: Re: code review From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1341278577 news.xs4all.nl 6867 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42022 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24798 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:55:48 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Oh yes, absolutely consistent. Consistency. It's a CR 1/2 monster found >> on page 153 of the 3.5th Edition Monster Manual. > > GvR is fond of quoting Ralph Waldo Emerson: > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Dungeons and Dragons has specs for a hobgoblin warrior :) > Perhaps the world would be better off if mathematicians threw out the > existing precedence rules and replaced them with a strict left-to-right > precedence. (Personally, I doubt it.) > > But until they do, consistency with mathematics is far more important > than the foolish consistency of left-to-right precedence. And if they ever do, it'll break consistency with past centuries of mathematical writing. Imagine (taking this to another realm) that it's decided that since Wolfram is now called Tungsten, it should have the chemical symbol 'T' instead of 'W'. This is far more consistent, right? And Iron should be I, not Fe. We'll move Iodine to Io (and Europium to Europa and Gallium to Ganymede?), and tritium (the isotope of hydrogen) can become H3. It'd make today's chemistry notes look as archaic and unreadable as those using alchemical symbols, only the actual symbols are the same, making it ambiguous. Nope. Better to stick with what's standardized. ChrisA