Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Oscar Benjamin Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Calulation in lim (1 + 1 /n) ^n when n -> infinite Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:50:34 +0000 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de GZkqYLFT5d9Uxysp08WHuA1vl7zwlbmS6lv62iYWJjag== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject: + ': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'happen?': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; '!!!!': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'dio': 0.16; 'limit,': 0.16; 'module:': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'skip:d 110': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'symbol,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; "aren't": 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; 'errors': 0.23; 'performing': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; 'import': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'install': 0.25; 'error': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'turns': 0.27; 'decimal': 0.29; 'computing': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'raising': 0.33; 'gets': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'difference': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'wrong': 0.38; 'represent': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'show': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'between': 0.65; 'limit': 0.65; 'results.': 0.67; 'power': 0.72; '100': 0.79; 'amplified': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'salvatore': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=THa3XDWqoelxy9zy4e6QvjQW0nxHggMejS7X0XAqTz4=; b=FB5yc5AdpgjRKlDG+/KoJY4kA7/0OABSTmAECamA+eLKpg4PuhZZuQra/KA16YxaSF 2F74qHvgBc7KMSzcPrAyxpsPAgbpiEIQhNw9sSPInW3PbAzUpPNixKFGuIVg8Y04pjnb HxjZqS96boj0U5miedtr/ERKa+yMLT6vvj5i0f5udLooLXAX8wwx4f4utAbangyAjyUt dJY+ts6tzrcizXHg8uXcYav8OvVFExb+KBfgQoG7y+8yIL50iURKP6uyrZ1PDSOVaTrU 3X+kHUcZxCO30ciYuLEwOEWreERZweAsaYK/tNYGeTZqe6vYWxCbH4ZmPTaHAoj+70uM 6ocQ== X-Received: by 10.112.54.169 with SMTP id k9mr13742962lbp.95.1447073454405; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 04:50:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:98518 On 9 November 2015 at 12:21, Salvatore DI DIO wrote: > I was trying to show that this limit was 'e' > But when I try large numbers I get errors > > def lim(p): > return math.pow(1 + 1.0 / p , p) > >>>> lim(500000000) > 2.718281748862504 >>>> lim(900000000) > 2.7182820518605446 !!!! > > > What am i doing wrong ? You're performing a floating point calculation and expecting exact results. Try this: >>> lim(10 ** 17) 1.0 Why does this happen? Well in this case that number is 10**17 and it turns out that >>> 1 + 1.0 / 10**17 1.0 This is because there aren't enough digits in double precision floating point to represent the difference between 1 and 1+1e-17. As p gets larger the addition 1+1.0/p because less and less accurate. The error in computing that is amplified by raising to a large power p. You can use more digits by using the decimal module: >>> from decimal import Decimal, localcontext >>> def lim(p): ... return (1 + 1 / Decimal(p)) ** p ... >>> with localcontext() as ctx: ... ctx.prec = 100 ... lim(10**17) ... Decimal('2.718281828459045221768878329057436445543726874642885850945607978722364313911964199165598158907225076') You can also install sympy and find this result symbolically: >>> from sympy import Symbol, limit, oo >>> p = Symbol('p', integer=True) >>> limit((1 + 1/p)**p, p, oo) E -- Oscar