Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Ide or code editor confusion Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 04:48:12 +1000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <2184a0ad-9d51-42db-ae11-5d0ab4512582@googlegroups.com> <7f142caf-5e3c-4fcf-818a-017b593fd0f7@googlegroups.com> <6688b08e-75cc-4132-b0e0-f63dcbfa4bd2@googlegroups.com> <713cc458-a469-eb3a-9f3f-81b1624cf245@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 6dV1jk8LdnxZZ7PbNqkZiAjXJ5213qadepAqCNX84Iqg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'friday,': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'subject:editor': 0.07; 'vi,': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; '22,': 0.09; 'i\xe2\x80\x99ve': 0.09; 'python:': 0.09; 'targets': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '2016': 0.16; 'awk': 0.16; 'expression.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'sed': 0.16; 'specifics': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'aug': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'passing': 0.23; 'unix': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'install': 0.25; "i've": 0.25; 'chris': 0.26; 'fri,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '2.6': 0.27; 'ibm': 0.27; 'regular': 0.29; 'it\xe2\x80\x99s': 0.29; 'references.': 0.29; 'relational': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'books': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'computing': 0.32; 'michael': 0.33; 'picking': 0.33; 'programming,': 0.33; 'except': 0.34; 'advice': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'beginning': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'back': 0.62; 'story': 0.65; 'date,': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'buying': 0.67; 'jul': 0.72; '1970s,': 0.84; '1990s,': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'ii.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'father': 0.91; 'novice': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iaUu5d56yeGtbGjmp3tIjEO1AJiNOOMUWXfILkEnlWo=; b=e8c8b4dvGEOsExiuZGZAWKaVwKmFhffTgePFqBjS1V/17s/LG14Yze0TWxl7l6o5KE f/m9Izh5Fm3sK3OHwKrlXRvCIIWaO6/wGG1YS64tHz6UqFVB+ZK8rZsfeNVGyg6wr/xM 5XVQb+iAKU6jbTPZ2E1VqP6i4rK9ZbzEj/wvW4vhgtYK86tehB1UIv2q4L5Ui/8t5TgI CkWD+NDOXM/13VgVKow9rmQ5Eoc/hxNx6mCQwvrZTJiLeUJrDW9JLnPZdF8+edNAjfar YOx7ZARgBSjPA19ChXF3aR8b/XcNPhrIDQfmbXAM+/6J+NGh3zePGjsf4sigIsJ7no0B M46Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iaUu5d56yeGtbGjmp3tIjEO1AJiNOOMUWXfILkEnlWo=; b=X6R1cNAN0shNostrXKbpg2nRQd8YaiXDEPqSboTNJaJszlv7p5CZYdsUC7WFNBYMCz Qlv9rGvMe4RfJBApT/OHkKcLNu93YDc1aX2VJCQPT0yOo0D78aPTC5N1yOLhpB475tys 2aNEsE/WnFaoW8IOYjrH6AADOjaJCYKwlyrFEzAwJti98qMNJGJAu+ELycCcEefz36e8 Pfzxgn8vv5fMNSZ7oKawY97HWX4AmPLRodLgRaKSal6Sr+576iy6vKw5OHBg1EVPFAI0 LDzVgfs/t2Wz4qMP8p3pLoK9+DkoC8b0DQM29E5BRANVuEe34HJUejo4oxc3Ty8YiNWs W9Sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvUeBiXrdS8p1nJshrZ5qsZnOLkAi63IYuoVzIlbbkOIgNePLh3LDnh1eESDfe24sk8Odc4PXvE8A0uJA== X-Received: by 10.194.221.232 with SMTP id qh8mr67809551wjc.117.1470336493443; Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:48:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <713cc458-a469-eb3a-9f3f-81b1624cf245@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <2184a0ad-9d51-42db-ae11-5d0ab4512582@googlegroups.com> <7f142caf-5e3c-4fcf-818a-017b593fd0f7@googlegroups.com> <6688b08e-75cc-4132-b0e0-f63dcbfa4bd2@googlegroups.com> <713cc458-a469-eb3a-9f3f-81b1624cf245@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:112343 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 08/04/2016 01:23 AM, Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: >> On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 2:38:10 AM UTC+12, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:22 AM, sigmaphine1914 wrote: >>>> Beginning Python: using Python 2.6 and Python 3.1. By James Payne >>>> >>>> Part II. >>> >>> Ugh, that's extremely old now. >> >> That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99ve come to the conclusion it=E2=80=99s a wa= ste of time buying books on computing topics. They start to reek of decay w= hile they=E2=80=99re still on the shelf. > > Except for old Unix books! I've got an old book on sed and awk that > will likely be in date for years to come! There's also an old book on > vi, another on regular expression. So some things are invaluable > references. Moving targets like Python, that's another story of course! Anything that focuses on specifics will get out of date, but the generalities don't. Here in the 2010s, I'm passing on to my students design advice (eg relational database schemas, laying out program code) that I learned from my father in the 1990s, and which he learned in the 1970s, and which probably have been passed down since the invention of programming, back in about 4004 BC. So there's often *something* you can learn from an old book - but I still wouldn't recommend a novice start out by picking up something that starts with the proper way to install hard drive platters in an IBM System/360, even if it does have a lot of sage wisdom in it :) ChrisA