Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'yet.': 0.04; 'mentions': 0.09; 'second.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'skip:= 70': 0.12; 'posted': 0.15; '0.07': 0.16; '110': 0.16; 'arbitrarily': 0.16; 'clues': 0.16; 'posted,': 0.16; 'programmatic': 0.16; 'seconds.': 0.16; 'solver': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'finished': 0.19; "hasn't": 0.19; 'typing': 0.19; '(the': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'case.': 0.24; 'space.': 0.24; 'values': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '25,': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'in.': 0.36; 'seconds': 0.37; 'minimum': 0.38; 'filled': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'completed': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'total': 0.65; 'url:co': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; 'million': 0.74; '2015': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6gR+axmOE+e9fX1CAIk5xIrOxXe3C8aF2ltRDnf7CH8=; b=SqhJxYGAVF5OU6o+dAeHuiLa6VgQCLN8pPlu6YI5C6Q/ZvXIdVpiiHjskiJFatn902 NYy8Ha+6+4mXDvO3gFAHOaBZUZLIDw+JfK4lT//dKgLKT9meFYTbeB+Cq2SoJrVjVqo2 NcyRBYKv3e5cYflPmnKSwc2ku56PmLCEx3i/Iq4K2/wUSP1HT3TC5Hds0DrROa4bvdc/ QirKjKVBMpzCKHIq6x8JP2DjxfS8rLaOFpW6cOjux857Vr2PKrJEKSL7vnFYk84ZX0xC k4sgKhbiAb1wSGc5F/3skz396SXq2MhaEojvUPCGLBFQwoQ45uTUbBqXz4f7g4JOm2f4 pP5g== X-Received: by 10.180.87.165 with SMTP id az5mr33009079wib.29.1427328484297; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87iodoakft.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <87r3sdnw5t.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <4e81bdb9-52db-46e6-b449-d4241cb2a3f2@googlegroups.com> <87twx8amww.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87iodoakft.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> From: Ian Kelly Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:07:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Sudoku solver To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1427328485 news.xs4all.nl 2961 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:88005 On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Ian Kelly : > >> The test puzzle that you posted has 23 values already filled in. How >> does it perform on harder puzzles with only 17 clues (the proven >> minimum)? One would expect it to be around a million times slower. > > Just try it. The example had a minimum of clues (drop one clue and > you'll get multiple solutions). > > orlds-hardest-sudoku-can-you-crack-it.html> mentions this puzzle: > > ======================================================================== > 8 . . . . . . . . > . . 3 6 . . . . . > . 7 . . 9 . 2 . . > . 5 . . . 7 . . . > . . . . 4 5 7 . . > . . . 1 . . . 3 . > . . 1 . . . . 6 8 > . . 8 5 . . . 1 . > . 9 . . . . 4 . . > ======================================================================== > > It takes about 2 seconds for my Python program to find the answer but it > spends a total of 110 seconds to exhaust the problem space. > > The analogous C program finished the whole thing in 200 milliseconds. "Hard" for a human doesn't necessarily mean "hard" for a programmatic solver in this case. Try your solver on this one: $ cat sudoku2.dat . . . 7 . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . 5 . 9 . . . . . . . . . 4 1 8 . . . . 8 1 . . . . . 2 . . . . 5 . . 4 . . . . 3 . . I tried the first puzzle you posted, and it took about a second. I then started running it on this one before I started typing up this post, and it hasn't finished yet. While that was running, I then tried running Norvig's solver on this puzzle, and it completed in about 0.07 seconds. For the curious, this puzzle was arbitrarily collected from http://theconversation.com/good-at-sudoku-heres-some-youll-never-complete-5234