Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.318 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.41; '*S*': 0.05; 'received:134': 0.05; '*not*': 0.07; 'answer?': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'community,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'subject:problem': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'posts': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'went': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.34; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'information': 0.63; 'him,': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'entitled': 0.65; 'answer.': 0.68; 'feeling': 0.68; 'overall': 0.69; 'helping': 0.70; 'engage': 0.74; 'category.': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'welcoming': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'same,': 0.91; 'responses': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAGd9blKGuA9G/2dsb2JhbABZwneBPIMZAQEEAXgGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMGAgIQh20GplqIV4kUj1wWhBYDmAqGJ4tggyc Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:07:54 +0100 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130116 Icedove/10.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Cookie fucking problem References: <7wzjpvaetr.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <526e15f2$0$2838$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:10:57 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382973058 news.xs4all.nl 15970 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48446 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57836 Op 28-10-13 15:38, Chris Angelico schreef: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2013-10-28, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >>> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that >>> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear. >> >> So he's replying to Nikos with responses that aren't helping Nikos and >> just encourage more posts from Nikos. I'm sure the _intent_ is >> different than Mark's, but unfortunately, the result is identical. > > I still maintain that I'm not *baiting* him, though. I don't care. Maybe you can find some semantical rule, that will give your behaviour an other etiket than "baiting", in the end the effect on the list is the same, with Nikos feeling entitled to insist to get an answer. And if we want this to be a welcoming community, then we have to care about the effects and not about the semantical category. So should you want this to be a welcoming community, then you are focussing on the wrong point. > Maybe it would be > better overall if I never even try to help him, but sometimes I just > get all paladiny... it feels wrong to *not* answer. What do you mean it feels wrong not to answer? Do you participate in every subject? Do you engage at least everybody? Do you answer every question that went unanswered? As far as I can see the answer is no to each of these questions, so how come it feels wrong to not answer Nikos? -- Antoon Pardon