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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>:
>
>> Okay. Start persuading "management" (presumably the PSU) that CPython
>> needs to be more modular, with different release cycles for different
>> components. Your first step is to figure out the boundaries between
>> those components. Get started.
>
> Gladly, I don't need to do anything about CPython. This particular
> strawman was erected by you:
>
>> CPython is a large and complex program. How do you propose doing it
>> "right"?
>
> It's up to you to take my proposal or ignore it.
>
> However, I have had my share of windmills to battle; I'm happy to say
> I've managed to bring down a few of them!

Okay. You have fun releasing nothing that you aren't confident can fit
within your definitions (and by the way, you were the one who brought
up the three-month rewrite, not me); I'm going to keep on following
the principle that "practicality beats purity", and release actual
working code.

ChrisA