Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug.': 0.07; 'matches': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'assumed': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'sat,': 0.15; '"i\'d': 0.16; 'driscoll': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'notation,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'mathematical': 0.17; 'typical': 0.17; 'trying': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "i'm": 0.29; '(and': 0.32; 'goes': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'program,': 0.34; 'received:192.168.0': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'matter': 0.61; 'high': 0.61; 'world': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'surprise': 0.65; 'soon': 0.70; 'contrary': 0.71; 'saw': 0.75; '*every': 0.84; 'bulb': 0.84; 'to:addr:ntlworld.com': 0.84 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 10:48:40 -0500 From: Evan Driscoll User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alister Subject: Re: Re: code review References: <6c39594f-79cb-4d4f-967e-bbc3f68cdbdf@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <4fed59b7$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <2662370.TGmo96CKe1@PointedEars.de> <87wr2oecf6.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> <4FEF7117.7000109@jollybox.de> <87bok0qr62.fsf@benfinney.id.au> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1341157730 news.xs4all.nl 6902 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48312 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24743 On 7/1/2012 4:54, Alister wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:45:25 -0500, Evan Driscoll wrote: >> If I had seen that in a program, I'd have assumed it was a bug. > > You would? > I have only been using python for 6 - 12 months but in my past I > programmed microcontrollers in assembly. > > as soon as i saw it i understood it & thought great, like a light bulb > going on. It's not a matter of "I wouldn't have understood what the author was trying to do" (with a small caveat), it's a matter of "I'd have assumed that the author didn't understand the language semantics." I'm pretty sure it goes contrary to *every other programming language I've ever used* (and a couple that I haven't). I understand why Python does it, and it certainly is nice in that it matches typical mathematical notation, but the surprise quotient is *very* high in the PL world IMO. Evan