Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; '21,': 0.07; 'seemed': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'received:mail- vc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; '+0300': 0.16; 'disk.': 0.16; 'url:virtualenv': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'work.': 0.23; 'installed': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; 'python"': 0.29; 'received:209.85.220.174': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'install': 0.29; 'normally': 0.30; 'turns': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'nov': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'management': 0.65; 'total': 0.65; 'sender:addr:chris': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XkDPdymmFsplBcD2WBnW4yhs8JP4Frceqyx8kCd3CiA=; b=LXdsPr55R+k2oknHyondGIg5Bf9WWHrxIaWF2Ldbiu4ZjMAsh93NOvMoUIOO7UcjX2 apd3bHJG0FjXULzVFuVwXuIyi+WTatKJUrUjx8ZB0IPnrkaeWExG++DkfqEG353zzlFA hQDo6o6BqigOhJOYIspZehj8Mf+ucq2kvDNIE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=XkDPdymmFsplBcD2WBnW4yhs8JP4Frceqyx8kCd3CiA=; b=JLYxSOYNqib6drkyVk9gXs9Ot5HYMyZL6HhUzIcxfx83qSrk2b9iJmVtiSQtdxhkYC olKrQ2w0ntmXwsdkERriez0xSyEKkWsWLGbsd258KmTwFyyV2z4+H7USfUDgksfOJW+W 5VftGoX5v/eTn41D1Nj/xL3zhHltwLlYZ7G6o/1TsPJWmhGJl+V7K1avwLLTVel9nAbI qH/aC+MF1zo/3NadIOkXfHm3X+iNBph++4178Qk/dZ+cnOIaip60t5CudYCtfVQDSucE BN+MV5qO2cqQrhyoXzZVlOkjccAqKgejTSThsglF9ni8baO1sd7/WvZ42iMzoLHMGTrq 1mxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chris@rebertia.com In-Reply-To: <20121121105703.83afe07ede3c397cf7529092@lavabit.com> References: <20121121094939.2be7ebf0809c1959538f8166@lavabit.com> <20121121105703.83afe07ede3c397cf7529092@lavabit.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:08:14 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: G4XcybUborC59rZSw2SHHHCVXs8 Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity From: Chris Rebert To: rh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmTJIAZPxvVYr7OR0G6rTZlT/8nCvyMd+6CUUv7S2eOoVMy5GG1sbqdixiT9Oiw8AcBUdmj Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1353524899 news.xs4all.nl 6908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41304 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:33758 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, rh wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:12:26 -0800 > Chris Rebert wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM, rh >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:41:42 +0300 >> > Andriy Kornatskyy wrote: >> > I'm looking at different technology right now on which to base a >> > site. I tried pyramid and after install it consumed 92MB of disk. >> > It seemed large and it turns out that it installed its own version >> > of python. Seems more complex to me, yet another python on disk. >> >> That's how virtualenvs (http://www.virtualenv.org/ ) normally work. >> Not really Pyramid's fault, it's more a deficiency of the current >> Python package management tools. > > There's still 92MB under pyramid, I just installed a new virtualenv and > installed wheezy.web, grand total 3.3MB. > > What deficiency? "install[ing] its own version of python" -- Chris