Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'lately': 0.07; 'nicely': 0.07; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'gui': 0.11; 'assume': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; '11:32': 0.16; 'decent': 0.16; 'do).': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'mouth.': 0.16; 'which,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'feb': 0.19; 'programming': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'long,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; '[1]': 0.27; 'am,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'received:209.85.212': 0.28; 'toolkit': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'worked': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(and': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'knowledge': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'done': 0.34; 'jason': 0.35; 'especially': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; '12,': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'previous': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'personal': 0.62; 'fun': 0.64; 'experience.': 0.65; 'learned': 0.65; '2013': 0.84; 'is)': 0.84; 'mastering': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a/GzXrZ714O/OIG7VXe9a/yT6BTixyug0uIPZL3p5WE=; b=FdlQtxOIPAnzAx/WU/XB3FVwyQCxvWH+gOVv47eBQ1c+MkoemyFqRuqY41BuuRx7xN ayT2sqzGag+YLLAWhmmlEQFhiNdtyrg24CwgOmM8d5u+R/amz52JH0oU39e1Gx1TPPod Q3KrjnAtzecvJkfrlIhMyMZ1cMwADsFRoCSVd1nNMqSwjBFKvNbxnobHo0bOSgygxMyV RdaHva5jP3dqhpEuDWMvoLzjvHq9gDMtAuWji0Soc6SMahMjKRCTi5/sctBRFDb6f4q4 Fr659JPwK4pBTe4cXfODirGP2TuJ77wqy7JpPQXYti46eQ8jiold9VgJCmzOC1DYdWEF tW+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.50.7 with SMTP id y7mr20850360ven.24.1360617086490; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:11:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51194359.6040808@gmail.com> References: <02ced8e2-5967-4ce0-b257-83c3a3fbaf8e@googlegroups.com> <5114e577$0$29984$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6fdc2333-2435-4ea5-bd87-50e3c9767257@mk5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <51194359.6040808@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:11:26 +1100 Subject: Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1360617094 news.xs4all.nl 6892 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48261 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38706 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 02/11/2013 11:32 AM, Jason Swails wrote: >> >> Perhaps that's your problem ;). Tkinter was the first--and only--GUI >> toolkit I learned [1] (I do almost exclusively CLI, and GUI only for fun -- >> and I program as a result of the work I do). Having no previous knowledge >> of any other GUI toolkit (and really only writing 2 or 3 _real_ GUIs >> total), it wasn't hard to pick up enough from effbot/stackoverflow/tkinter >> documentation to get a working GUI with (what I think is) decent code >> organization. >> >> Just my personal experience. > > My first experience with GUI programming was with MFC on windows. Yuck! > Anything is better. Although wxWidgets seems to follow the MFC model > in some ways, and that has always left a sour taste in my mouth. > > Since then I've done both GTK and Qt programming and both are a > pleasure, especially in Python. Lately I've done all my GUI work with GTK, and it's worked out nicely for me. But I still assume that it'll take as long to learn as the language I'm using - which, for good languages like Python, isn't all that long, but it's not like mastering urllib. ChrisA