Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'syntax': 0.04; 'that?': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'properly.': 0.09; 'whichever': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'mostly': 0.14; '(),': 0.16; 'commented': 0.16; 'dig': 0.16; 'help?': 0.16; 'index.': 0.16; 'notation': 0.16; 'of)': 0.16; 'thinking,': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'index': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'all,': 0.19; 'bit': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'mathematical': 0.24; 'recognize': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'right.': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'appreciated.': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'another.': 0.31; 'context,': 0.31; 'keywords,': 0.31; 'void': 0.31; 'with,': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'whom': 0.33; 'ourselves': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'classes': 0.35; 'possible.': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'method': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'writes': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'highest': 0.39; 'structure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'unable': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'units': 0.60; 'subject:Fwd': 0.61; 'further': 0.61; 'advanced': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'soon': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'connecting': 0.64; 'map': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'skip:1 20': 0.65; 'natural': 0.68; 'study': 0.69; 'partner': 0.70; 'goal': 0.75; '(yet)': 0.84; 'learn.': 0.84; 'mechanics': 0.84; 'affair': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Thq3qNePaaxmupR3EvJygZEDdcNrc5nwEYu2TqmUm/o=; b=0eAiVI8tX6yj17ay+dXpkrivFLj5rQsYGdNvMC6ulngv0+hs5RU/I1FXfCBVJe4i4D 8uWyZPkbEauagm51x5gY5FzWi96inLChESjlYyknjw9sp2bc8J9w4Q9bEP5sLVWc4n7L opDqtXyZha9H9jzES4YXj+UuTbOkGJ8vxIS1tffxa94v7/AGgRudWqtmCEvT0MKCAAMv kY95C8dxNrhLpbWvyNo4UhhZr+JdTnDNCvoedRohZKCB58o9++vLlxrnGMGz54Zn2GNM pyp/BExD58xTkVlaARU9edkS6WUqBNsVoLSY1/YkX4FmoXjHoD4ZPNj49qLbJOnudiO5 +89w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.65.238 with SMTP id a14mr2004768vdt.24.1368527774416; Tue, 14 May 2013 03:36:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:36:14 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Python for philosophers From: Citizen Kant To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f3372dc079304dcab337e X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368527782 news.xs4all.nl 15964 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55052 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45294 --20cf307f3372dc079304dcab337e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Case study (kind of) Imagine that I use to explore with my mind a particular topic and I want to map and model the mechanics of that exploration. That's mostly metaphysical. I have a partner called Python with whom I must communicate in Python. Which would be the basics that I must "know" in order to pass my ideas to him properly. With this I mean using the units of my natural language skills that match with his language, and using them in Python's language context, in order to "program" at the highest level possible. It's true that my program won't run yet but for me this is not an obstacle at all, as when one writes a book one can start writing an index. For some people, this index or highest level programming could look mostly like a void thing coz lacks of the proper meat that a Python use to eat, and in a sense they are right. But that's not the point. The point is that as soon as I can I would start to dig deeper in that structure and build the proper meat that my highest level labels are just naming. What if using my ability to name what I actually think and recognize the path of whichever method I call from my object of thinking, I'd like to start setting a context for further immersion (inmersion with advanced mathematical notation an that? Somebody commented about a couple of basic elements which I'm familiarized with, like +, -, /, =, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0, (), etc. I know that Python has a set of keywords, there's also a proper way in which one must express wholes in Python, proper way which I'm not familiarized with but I'm able to learn. Does this help? For me, starting with Python is an affair of connecting with it. It's not about including it in me or including me in it, but a kind of symbiotic relationship. Unless for me, using my natural language as far as I can, but constrained (formalized) by Python syntax in order to model using objects and methods and classes that are still unable to run in Python (yet) seems to be a good starting point for a symbiotic relationship. Understanding might depend in our ability to set ourselves in the shoes of another. Any clues? Since this is a real goal that I'm looking to accomplish, any question that would clarify a bit more my states will be highly appreciated. --20cf307f3372dc079304dcab337e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Imagine that I= use to explore with my mind a particular topic and I want to map and model= the mechanics of that exploration. That's mostly metaphysical. I have = a partner called Python with whom I must communicate in Python. Which would= be the basics that I must "know" in order to pass my ideas to hi= m properly. With this I mean using the units of my natural language skills = that match with his language, and using them in Python's language conte= xt, in order to "program" at the highest level possible. It's= true that my program won't run yet but for me this is not an obstacle = at all, as when one writes a book one can start writing an index. For some = people, this index or highest level programming could look mostly like a vo= id thing coz lacks of the proper meat that a Python use to eat, and in a se= nse they are right. But that's not the point. The point is that as soon= as I can I would start to dig deeper in that structure and build the prope= r meat that my highest level labels are just naming. What if using my abili= ty to name what I actually think and recognize the path of whichever method= I call from my object of thinking, I'd like to start setting a context= for further immersion (inmersion with advanced mathematical notation an th= at? Somebody commented about a couple of basic elements which I'm famil= iarized with, like +, -, /, =3D, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0, (), etc. I know that = Python has a set of keywords, there's also a proper way in which one mu= st express wholes in Python, proper way which I'm not familiarized with= but I'm able to learn. Does this help?

For me, starting with Python is an affair of connecting with it. It'= ;s not about including it in me or including me in it, but a kind of symbio= tic relationship. Unless for me, using my natural language as far as I can,= but constrained (formalized) by Python syntax in order to model using obje= cts and methods and classes that are still unable to run in Python (yet) se= ems to be a good starting point for a symbiotic relationship. Understanding= might depend in our ability to set ourselves in the shoes of another.

Any clues? Since this is a real goal that I'm looking to acco= mplish, any question that would clarify a bit more my states will be highly= appreciated.
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