Path: csiph.com!eeepc.pasdenom.info!news.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'idle': 0.05; 'also:': 0.09; 'content-type:multipart/signed': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.14; '(at)': 0.16; '(dot)': 0.16; 'content- type:application/pgp-signature': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:asc': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:signature': 0.16; 'filename:fname:signature.asc': 0.16; 'idle,': 0.16; 'received:209.85.160.174': 0.16; 'received:mail- gy0-f174.google.com': 0.16; 'resolving': 0.16; 'stability.': 0.16; 'subject:IDLE': 0.16; 'useless.': 0.16; 'do,': 0.21; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.23; 'all.': 0.24; "python's": 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'received:209.85.160': 0.25; 'testing': 0.28; 'hansen': 0.30; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.31; '...': 0.31; 'actually': 0.31; 'contributed': 0.31; 'it.': 0.32; 'issues': 0.33; 'where': 0.35; 'another': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'is:': 0.36; 'received:24': 0.36; 'here,': 0.37; 'blog:': 0.37; 'much.': 0.37; 'two': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'status': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'stephen': 0.38; 'talking': 0.38; 'actual': 0.39; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'so,': 0.39; 'me.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.61; 'released': 0.62; 'interest': 0.63; 'mail:': 0.67; 'yeah.': 0.67; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'header:Reply- To:1': 0.72; 'money': 0.74; 'slaves': 0.84; 'man.': 0.91; 'satisfactory': 0.91; 'url:io': 0.93 Sender: Ixokai Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:24:06 -0800 From: Stephen Hansen MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. References: <1fbf7815-ea63-4322-889d-4b15fc66bb25@z20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <1daeb81f-f004-4111-9ddc-0acb2b01b5f6@x13g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <7754ab65-0184-4125-b04a-ede5e88c35f5@w7g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <69cef019-5ae0-41bb-8263-6b2f7e23573c@f30g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=555B1FE5; url=http://id.ixokai.io/pub.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD834A6E8D8CD8883B4D6EB89" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: me+list/python@ixokai.io List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1296861865 news.xs4all.nl 81482 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:60850 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55821 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD834A6E8D8CD8883B4D6EB89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote: >> Put your money where your mouth is. >=20 > ditto! I thought as much. My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use for it and no interest in it at all. The status quo with regards to IDLE is satisfactory to me. You're the one talking so much about how it needs to improve. So do it. Get started. Now. But you'll just find another excuse to rant on like you always do, and be basically useless. Me, I _have_ contributed patches: I have released actual code that actual people have found actually useful. I do run two build slaves and proactively try to assist in resolving issues that come up with Python's testing (usually: ouch, there's a lot of red at the moment, must get cracking) and stability. So, yeah. You're the hypocrite here, man. --=20 Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ --------------enigD834A6E8D8CD8883B4D6EB89 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNTIqbAAoJEKcbwptVWx/l7UoIAKVRcnh1YHyiHrKwlkh6/0jT uKkM01z7N4jGTRXi9cd3/z5rjcGlCK7pUNdI9uYJFmBjnUxf4JYJwxSnOgb39UY3 FslBIPpjH4N74eWuNWK/Nu/ufK+UaYqfBp1cjFc7eCfoY0XrcWqq6/npOMv48lvW P4RurC0yWA2XPhtCCSVJ+K49w8vfvt71MG/+8ysrxXSzvxj1Sgz7Q3nv44aCcJjK tKAWFlzlFhcXWmklm8UshBJsyqyU9iU3gOXT6Kx5FOAPomUonVtKSgS4j8fThfYZ GwhcMwcwQsbKAYUuQGfyrX1iVjTm7FmUaWlLwMBtRfj1rbuSRy2cGg7HAp+rGqg= =6oxS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD834A6E8D8CD8883B4D6EB89--