Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'else:': 0.03; 'guido': 0.04; 'flags': 0.05; 'terry': 0.07; 'guideline': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'rule.': 0.09; 'api': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'library': 0.15; '(usually,': 0.16; 'boolean': 0.16; 'params': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'always,': 0.16; 'argument': 0.16; 'pm,': 0.16; 'this:': 0.16; 'def': 0.16; 'say,': 0.19; 'jan': 0.19; 'seems': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'code': 0.24; 'function': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; '(the': 0.28; 'mode': 0.28; 'constant': 0.29; 'situation,': 0.30; 'yet': 0.30; 'looks': 0.30; 'seem': 0.31; 'rather': 0.33; 'usually': 0.33; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'apply': 0.34; 'rule': 0.34; 'none': 0.35; 'that,': 0.35; 'pretty': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'actual': 0.35; 'functions.': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'could': 0.37; 'another': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'takes': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'strong': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'two': 0.38; 'put': 0.38; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'basis': 0.62; 'subject:!': 0.67; 'attractive': 0.73; 'objective': 0.77; 'gut': 0.84; 'seldom': 0.84; 'shared,': 0.84; 'violate': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: PyWart: os.path needs immediate attention! Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:48:21 -0400 References: <14874f59-a836-4031-a8c9-6b24f4d5e812@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> <4e335535$0$29975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.205.249.126 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: <4e335535$0$29975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1312033703 news.xs4all.nl 23950 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46622 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:10581 On 7/29/2011 8:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Guido has a rule of thumb: "No constant arguments". Or another way to put > it: if a function takes an argument which is nearly always a constant > (usually, but not always, a flag) then it is usually better off as two > functions. I do not really understand his 'rule'*. The stdlib has lots of functions with boolean flags and params which default to None and are seldom over-ridden. * Which is to say, it feels more like his gut feeling applied on a case-by-case basis than an actual rule that anyone could apply in any objective manner. > Especially if the implementation looks like this: > > def get_thing(argument, flag): > if flag: > return one_thing(argument) > else: > return another_thing(argument) If the rule is limited to this situation, where no code is shared, it seems pretty sensible. > Argument flags which do nothing but change the behaviour of the function > from Mode 1 to Mode 2 are an attractive nuisance: they seem like a good > idea, but aren't. Consider it a strong guideline rather than a law, but > it's one I would think very long and hard about before violating. > > But having said that, I'm currently writing a library where nearly all the > functions violate the No Constant Argument rule. (The API isn't yet stable, > so I may still change my mind.) Make of that what you will. See * above ;-). Terry Jan Reedy