Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ethan Furman Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Pythonic style Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:52:24 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <5720357B.4060009@icloud.com> <572166FA.3020108@icloud.com> <85y47yjxj5.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <57217E73.9040907@icloud.com> <572188F8.7010304@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de YUNC4N/ILy8DZxD5Xjh8Tgm5pYZ1eG3nob82GQS5x9Ew== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'essentially': 0.04; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'methods,': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '7:07': 0.16; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'dictionary.': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'latter': 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; 'this:': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'equivalent': 0.27; 'separate': 0.27; 'invoke': 0.29; 'short,': 0.29; '~ethan~': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'skip:s 30': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.33; 'point': 0.33; 'behind': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'turned': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'no.': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'special': 0.73; "(don't": 0.84 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: <57217E73.9040907@icloud.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <572188F8.7010304@stoneleaf.us> X-Mailman-Original-References: <5720357B.4060009@icloud.com> <572166FA.3020108@icloud.com> <85y47yjxj5.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <57217E73.9040907@icloud.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107747 On 04/27/2016 08:07 PM, Christopher Reimer wrote: > On 4/27/2016 7:07 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >> Ian Kelly wrote: >>> self.__dict__ = {'key', 'value'} >>> >>> is essentially equivalent to: >>> >>> self.key = value >> >> I would say the latter is more Pythonic, because it: >> >> [snip] >> >> * Uses the built-in mechanisms of Python (don't invoke magic attributes, >> instead use the system that makes use of them behind the scenes). > > In short, my original code before I turned it into a separate > dictionary. *sigh* No. The point Ben was trying to make is this: you should never* call __dunder__ methods in normal code; there is no need to do so: - use len(), not __len__() - use next(), not __next__() - use some_instance.an_attribute, not some_instance.__dict__['an_attribute'] -- ~Ethan~ * Okay, maybe /almost/ never. About the only time you need to is when giving your classes special methods, such as __add__ or __repr__.