Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'works.': 0.07; 'insertion': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'tune': 0.09; 'python.': 0.11; 'java,': 0.15; 'variables': 0.15; 'int32': 0.16; 'least.': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'subsequences': 0.16; 'verbose': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'versions': 0.20; 'first,': 0.20; 'class,': 0.22; 'either.': 0.22; 'names.': 0.22; 'appears': 0.23; 'code,': 0.23; 'properties': 0.24; 'written': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'example': 0.26; 'actual': 0.28; 'container': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'certainly': 0.30; 'somebody': 0.30; 'class': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'shorter': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'functions.': 0.35; 'instance': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'fall': 0.66; 'consequently': 0.84; 'idiomatic': 0.84; 'prefers': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.us; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=Ov9AWX/SP56MGYZcYPxcIuPzYTY=; b=J/gSqX MxkR3fOXrXQl5bWq8XocvpaXB2wllWG/L81YLoKk6d07JkrzFyetsIQcaby5fJWf kdCaFiIY4n/oR/eRwXrPkDgQfxRDR82lJZ5zy4U0R+Du391AHRp6mFPtUlI3nXi7 VxRpAGAvnfh9HLAMsoDiePwYYi17njsCUQ508= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Ov9AWX/SP56MGYZ cYPxcIuPzYTY=; b=uB4Zh+1VzLqDyZyoQM2aVW6SAGQLJcXxJWE29hKFMmRv7c/ omfAiGv8vt4h5CQKx2ltKxyl9MHlJ1iBzbmlfjodjFLCHEo2RHS6/HF6eK25Gxkm sspkaOKuyg9uMCDkazf/8wJzAanDa+6VKTP5/jFiBX6UQcDi+zSNRMSkkg50= X-Sasl-Enc: RR/94ZgR5dpBPA9TA+kOAwsrXAT9qO4jAT9jt2m7f8fy 1441517203 From: random832@fastmail.us To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-4500bf93 Subject: Re: Program in or into (was Python handles globals badly) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 01:26:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55eba65d$0$1665$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <58e0d1b5-a7ca-4811-9926-fba1b7ede83f@googlegroups.com> <55EA487D.2010807@gmail.com> <03c53b53-4103-4fd8-8851-caeccda8e016@googlegroups.com> <55eba65d$0$1665$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1441517206 news.xs4all.nl 23763 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58993 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96052 Steven D'Aprano writes: > That depends. Is the example C# code idiomatic for the language? Not in the least. My first clue was Int32 - nobody actually uses those names. > Or was it > written by somebody ignorant of C#, and consequently is a poor example of > badly-written and unidiomatic "Java in C#"? > > If the first, then I expect I would write the C# code, because it is > idiomatic and works. What would you do? > > It is certainly true that C# appears to be a more verbose language than > Python. Based on this example, it prefers to use classes with methods > rather than stand-alone functions, You certainly need to put methods in a class, but it's absurd that they made it an actual instantiable class with instance properties for the variables they required for sorting, rather than there being a class that's just there as a container for the functions. I wouldn't do that in Java, either. They also gave it features a lot of the shorter versions on the page don't have; the ability to fall back to insertion sort for short lists, and the ability to tune exactly how it does that, and how many subsequences to sort and merge.