Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'context': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'clear.': 0.16; 'delimiters': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'right:': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'memory': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'skip': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'consequence': 0.31; 'indentation': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; '14,': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'management.': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'taking': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'attention': 0.75; 'low': 0.83; 'irrelevant': 0.84; 'layout.': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dBIB6oRsHASF1GECqENBbMOUS6uwYKxUaB5+xRBfOI0=; b=BHMUSGo0laFVfTIJpQo552EyuO3KK39FLvaLoqtfjqfMkqCROUUQG4v2dP8zxTUHhX TwsP+PImZHQHUdVrnKcrP6lxYL1Aibwk+oqhUvCjnQFeoS3VKK+0ZqwL2Eb201N5Og2K i2HqAtijvyYtmkLkZumEdIbujWcGvgJFcXYVk3Pzf7ni1LJtqzqTAMFviFW8nbIxlfCT +OhcQidb0wKbBlAW902yC+Og+Od1ipEBFWwI9k58sOP+XQaElksJF7TeHcq5hpDbecqQ ERrXSVbR8Dc1n6WzvtMQPwNHxls2LX6rnBIERAYlBk5aVvRYUHxfOROXWr+/ieSsPOi6 QiBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.75.46 with SMTP id z14mr2017001vev.52.1368468773750; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:12:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5190b049$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 04:12:53 +1000 Subject: Re: [Off topic] Software epigrams From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368468776 news.xs4all.nl 15936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38396 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45257 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> 8. A programming language is low level when its programs require >> attention to the irrelevant. >> >> So much a matter of debate. Indentation is irrelevant, why should >> Python programs pay attention to it? Block delimiters are irrelevant >> too, the interpreter should be able to figure them out from the code >> layout. But this one is absolutely right: > > I think "irrelevant" in this context means stuff like memory management. Sure. That one's pretty clear (if you care about memory management, you want a low level language). But there's still plenty that are less clear. Though in generalities, I think I agree; paying attention to minutiae is the consequence of taking a lower-level language. It's just that the difference between relevant and irrelevant is hard to define. ChrisA