Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.033 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'gui': 0.11; 'language,': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'informal,': 0.16; 'tk.': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'feb': 0.19; 'bit': 0.21; 'effort.': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'wonder': 0.27; 'important.': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'received:209.85.212': 0.28; 'mind,': 0.29; 'toolkit': 0.29; 'stuff': 0.30; 'computing': 0.32; '11,': 0.33; 'programming,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'knowledge': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'doing': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'most': 0.61; 'wide': 0.62; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'learned': 0.65; '2013': 0.84; 'comparable': 0.84; 'windowing': 0.84; 'rick': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ORZCGwbSqp66i04+DdxVpIEKcOL1w4Hm4BGVt6lQd5A=; b=atl19x+nTLOnlT3Csz7dt/+VD8s0vYZyRRiVd2gTJMSLvNwivijsimOsR+F5h0yApI YBeXcns3FFDO09JdQzD+KymI47C/RGq91IU+1OnT9Z9IU5MBhPgRPPMXxji41Gv+B1y9 lajpBFX2eEPJ6/u79mDNzGdjeqq91ptC7a/nwnfYV5IknhoVJEdqqddcFsU9vcrHzsyw yysTAfT9r6sxnqZPyMfORtulrfv7qhfb95gf1BbT+F/KtQzfTBfmY0KJbB/HkKeh7XxG KSL9dULtBzHtuIL1AaXAYP6ijZB7gDZf0z/phAX1jWkfMmz7ld04qVFw4q78iCtNqEwR rAew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.22.194 with SMTP id g2mr15246183vdf.91.1360564050527; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:27:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6fdc2333-2435-4ea5-bd87-50e3c9767257@mk5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> References: <02ced8e2-5967-4ce0-b257-83c3a3fbaf8e@googlegroups.com> <5114e577$0$29984$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6fdc2333-2435-4ea5-bd87-50e3c9767257@mk5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:27:30 +1100 Subject: Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1360564059 news.xs4all.nl 6985 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37634 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38644 On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM, alex23 wrote: > On Feb 9, 2:25 pm, Michael Torrie wrote: >> Rick seems to know his stuff >> about Tk programming, but his knowledge of programming language theory >> and formal computing seems quite informal. > > Not informal, "intuited". If he doesn't already know something, it's > apparently not important. I wonder how he learned about Tk. To be quite frank, I've not found tkinter to be particularly intuitive, and I've been doing GUI programming since the early 90s (with a wide variety of toolkits). Mind, that's not necessarily an indictment of tkinter per se; MOST windowing toolkits take a bit of mastering. But my general estimate is that it takes roughly as long to learn a GUI toolkit as to learn a language, and takes comparable effort. ChrisA