Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.170 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.69; '*S*': 0.03; 'decline': 0.09; 'suggest': 0.14; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'meanwhile,': 0.16; 'subject:default': 0.16; 'think.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'mind.': 0.24; '2.0': 0.26; 'posts': 0.26; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'protocols': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'here': 0.66; 'experience.': 0.67; 'internet': 0.71; 'day': 0.76; 'browsers,': 0.84; 'homework': 0.84; 'readership': 0.84; 'subject:Don': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gI8VXLJktVm/pAjzK7Dc8ONIja0d3hc581pxCiC0oXI=; b=lw1jPq2JWgtyfEoLf3iSNSTg6gerYFH1AKtVjUZ3PM9ULUzzG2E241klRAfWx5JNzF OCg0UQT6aN/lWBR7KvKix24t0xwlHiO4OnwnfsF+maV8oweCrGc4bzbXhxgy9U6f9sMV s6+IY1saC0B9Z/5RgA8fAHTlz/SdBVbvW7o8+2ENvJUqTX+IM4DVCxrP7D/H6pYFqUw1 US6r6Dv2234MymKPKTbBc2E9160X2WvQXc3oLVYF70a5BKVUM1WcjTdAB3Ikw0MkvgEQ opc/wNVfkCMXXJfegjE4P34d99FlRxdm2PC0BTvbLBYDpUTvm27WfZxHsO7AAilCn9MC CMRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.179.98 with SMTP id df2mr13677022pbc.38.1382825739456; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:15:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6f2b7$525f2302$5419b3e4$13466@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <13f400f3-7f64-45e3-8483-160fd1f28158@googlegroups.com> <526b2b90$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:15:39 +1100 Subject: Re: Don't use default Google Group client (was re:....) From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382825748 news.xs4all.nl 15908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57395 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57675 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:05 AM, wrote: > The large number of posts here from GG would suggest > that the readership there is substantial, and the decline in > "web-1.0" tools (usenet, mailing lists, etc) is additional > evidence that the number of GG users (who are used to and > prefer flashier web-based interfaces) may be much greater > than you would like to think. That's not a problem. The people who think that Web 2.0 has to completely supplant everything else are most welcome to spend all day on Facebook, and try to get their homework help from there. I don't mind. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to use - and to understand - the lower-level internet protocols that actually work. We will then go on to develop communication protocols that don't involve JavaScript in web browsers, that don't have ten-round-trip latency, and that actually work. SMTP-like or MUD-like protocols seem to be quite effective, in my experience. ChrisA