Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.062 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.01; 'missed': 0.09; 'ignoring': 0.09; 'language': 0.14; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'message- id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'sense,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; "shouldn't": 0.17; 'saying': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'sense': 0.31; 'johnson': 0.32; 'received:84': 0.32; 'explains': 0.33; "he's": 0.33; 'point,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'add': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; '2013': 0.84; 'beats': 0.84; 'majority.': 0.84; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.84; 'rick': 0.91; 'have.': 0.95; 'silent': 0.95 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=HO4d4PRv c=1 sm=1 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=Tv4_tr9OjFAA:10 a=JIiPh6xQ8kUA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=OUOv7kDek9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=ESY2JbuJMsAA:10 a=nO7Mgn3CCyuO2bZZ_OAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 02:03:54 +0000 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty References: <680e50a4-6569-49cf-b369-0be450545d50@googlegroups.com> <5115c455$0$6574$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <511784b3$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6b7d7299-7ce3-401f-a950-04cea18af399@googlegroups.com> <51183d05$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <51183d05$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1360548223 news.xs4all.nl 6925 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50839 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38632 On 2013-02-11 00:36, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Rick Johnson wrote: > >> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:29:54 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Rick wrote: >>> And you have missed my point, which is that reversed(), and sorted(), >>> were not added to the language on a whim, but because they were >>> requested, over and over and over again. >> >> Well, well, this explains everything! >> >> We don't add features because of logic, or because of consistency, or even >> because of good sense, we simply add them to appease the masses. > I remember a time when he was saying that the developers of the language were ignoring the silent majority. Now he's saying that we shouldn't simply add things to appease the masses. > They were requested because people kept re-inventing them. They kept > re-inventing them because they are useful functions that make good sense to > have. > Exactly. Practicality beats purity, and all that.