Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'behavior.': 0.07; 'skip:` 10': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'value:': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'dictionaries': 0.16; 'lambda': 0.16; 'null.': 0.16; 'pm,': 0.16; 'possibly': 0.16; 'have:': 0.19; 'of.': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'dictionary': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.23; 'somewhere': 0.23; 'code': 0.24; "i'm": 0.27; 'looks': 0.30; 'values': 0.31; "skip:' 10": 0.32; "i'll": 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'there': 0.34; 'be.': 0.34; 'describe': 0.34; 'like:': 0.35; 'question': 0.35; 'subject:new': 0.36; 'some': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'could': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'portion': 0.38; 'else': 0.38; 'two': 0.38; 'put': 0.38; 'case': 0.39; 'should': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'except': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'might': 0.39; 'happen': 0.62; 'ready': 0.64; 'special': 0.67; 'glad': 0.71; 'historical': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: NoneType and new instances Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:32:34 -0400 References: <4E3182C3.9040306@stoneleaf.us> <4E31CE8F.4080606@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.205.249.126 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: <4E31CE8F.4080606@stoneleaf.us> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1311903154 news.xs4all.nl 23913 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:10496 On 7/28/2011 5:03 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > I'm glad you asked! I'm using dictionaries to describe fields and > what their return values should be. There happen to be two special > cases: empty and Null. So a portion of the dictionary looks like: > > fielddef = { 'empty':some_func, 'null':some_func } > > Depending on the needs of the user, `some_func` might be `str`, > `int`, `custom_class`, or `NoneType`. Somewhere else in the code I > have: > > if not value: # or some such cls = fielddef['empty'] return cls() > > This works for *everything* except NoneType. g > ~Ethan~ > > PS I'll use a lambda to get around it, but that's not very elegant. > Why shouldn't NoneType be able to return the singleton None? Possibly historical accident. You could ask on python-ideas or put a feature request on the tracker. Start with the first in case there is a ready answer I do not know of. The big question is whether there is code depending on current behavior.