Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Parens do create a tuple Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:08:03 +1000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1460333911.3449208.574628345.4B46CD32@webmail.messagingengine.com> <85r3ed2ctn.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85inzp2c93.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <857fg43orj.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <570b0ca9$0$1608$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <851t6c3hzw.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 49RIWPkvceU2xkgHIDgmRgwTPQqYtpsqjYGBqOkQguNA== Cancel-Lock: sha1:ylaw1VX8VAF0TbAkh7BxPEhDuz0= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'false.': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:create': 0.09; 'tuple.': 0.09; 'things.': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'singleton': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; 'am,': 0.23; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'fine': 0.28; 'statement': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'true.': 0.33; 'except': 0.34; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'cases': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'enough': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'avoid': 0.61; 'course.': 0.67; '_o__)': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'belief': 0.91; 'speaks': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <851t6c3hzw.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-Mailman-Original-References: <1460333911.3449208.574628345.4B46CD32@webmail.messagingengine.com> <85r3ed2ctn.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85inzp2c93.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <857fg43orj.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <570b0ca9$0$1608$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106849 Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:41 am, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Chris Angelico writes: > > > >> Fair enough. Let's instead say "commas create tuples", which is true > >> in all cases except the singleton empty tuple. Is that near enough > >> that we can avoid the detail? > > > > It's a fine thing to say, because it's simply true. Commas create > > tuples. > > […] there are commas that don't create a tuple. Of course. That doesn't make the above statement false. Commas create tuples. Also, commas do other things. -- \ “Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who | `\ speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.” —Ambrose | _o__) Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney