Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'wednesday,': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'references,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'finney': 0.16; 'lisp': 0.16; 'pointers.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:courses': 0.16; 'url:svg': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'right.': 0.26; 'url:edu': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'not.': 0.33; 'subject:time': 0.33; 'accessible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'explain': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'air': 0.66; '20,': 0.68; '250': 0.78; '2015': 0.84; 'metaphor': 0.84; 'url:upload': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Slices time complexity Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 06:06:33 +0100 References: <9ceklad15llnv3npejq9iuh91soci8aeqo@4ax.com> <7ea01590-a559-46e5-abf5-29622e39aae7@googlegroups.com> <555ac697$0$12910$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <862693ca-42cf-4f5b-ac12-133e43e7606b@googlegroups.com> <878uclf3bt.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <555af171$0$12995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <874mn9ezaw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <555b2fa9$0$12996$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87oalfooz7.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <92992653-d511-4e33-a21d-541eeda4799b@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-176-143.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <92992653-d511-4e33-a21d-541eeda4799b@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432098419 news.xs4all.nl 2922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34894 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90925 On 20/05/2015 05:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 9:54:57 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Ben Finney : >> >>> Right. So the box with an arrow coming out of it is a good metaphor for >>> pointers -- *in languages that have pointers*, which Python does not. >>> >>> A box with an arrow coming out of it is a poor metaphor for Python's >>> references, since a Python reference doesn't contain anything accessible >>> to the programmer. >> >> Lisp doesn't have pointers. However: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > And what about Java? > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/166033/value-semantics-and-pointer-semantics > And what about CORAL66/250? How do you explain Python in terms of the original 66 and the 250 derivative? What is the unladen air speed velocity of a swallow in flight? Who actually gives a stuff? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence