Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'back.': 0.09; 'badly': 0.09; 'inserted': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '(and,': 0.16; 'better:': 0.16; 'claim,': 0.16; 'disregard': 0.16; 'gpg': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'newsgroups': 0.16; 'theorist': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'subject:need': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'helpful': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'nearly': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'subject:some': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'interface': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list.': 0.37; 'implement': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'e.g.': 0.38; 'gmail': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'consists': 0.60; "google's": 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'from:charset:utf-8': 0.61; 'complete': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'developed': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'news': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; 'containing': 0.69; 'conclude': 0.84; 'favor:': 0.84; 'don\xe2\x80\x99t': 0.91; 'postings.': 0.91; 'url:tk': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xo+FLe7DRGFrXVAW2+AfcubLq+ncQMGvF/ruvcI+Jj8=; b=ypRtkZ0lzwEu7uRRjRDSZlsP/gY0/GCiUa9z9aQ7acxJkaI4DDSEfLoeqskFi0YK8q cLS2+Z+aTMihG1ErajVzgILxalVk7nK1qktKy2vyMi6WMdSp0Qa4YFyFVcAcNNxff0r+ AH1Qkpf8cPdGDIrYyDiiBe9MqDJgpBWSPVvQ3hIUMQUPbe141QWDzuGY4tNISUoGAiDU 5y9mShxrv6BaOFqfmL1WctO7ltjIEYDDxtF+3ts1sNl3cBMzR2mVk1HZth/JTNlIsyhK Mig41NSCpTJkLDV+YBOWuuiWiQmjtyXcAEPj4EsUyuAlSDeUyoXptrYKB0rJkqdhg3WJ cBHw== X-Received: by 10.43.138.196 with SMTP id it4mr2447523icc.3.1368374414522; Sun, 12 May 2013 09:00:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1bdc367a-4187-440b-85a8-de69360bc71d@googlegroups.com> <001fe0f1-9124-4cbb-bc84-1b58ee7b8138@googlegroups.com> <47292460-b601-47e7-bdba-ccdc5f0d1c27@googlegroups.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMg4oCcS3dwb2xza2HigJ0gV2Fycmljaw==?= Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:59:54 +0200 Subject: Re: in need of some help... To: Jens Thoms Toerring Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368374425 news.xs4all.nl 15883 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37034 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45186 (slightly offtopic, sorry.) On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrot= e: > PS: If I may ask you a favor: consider refraining from using Google's > completely broken interface to newsgroups - your post consists > of nearly 200 lines of text containing all I wrote, with an empty > line inserted between each of them, and a single line of text > you wrote. It's rather annoying to have to sieve through that > much of unrelated stuff just to find thar one line that's re- > levant. Gmail automatically hides long quotes. This is helpful in situations like this one. More mail software should implement that functionality. Seriously: once you go Gmail, you never go back. > And this Google groups crap seems to make it nearly > impossible to do it any other way. If you don't believe me see > e.g. > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython > > There are much better alternatives to "Google groups", > using a real usenet news server and a program that does > not mess up content of news group postings. They've been > developed with 30 years of experience with newsgroups. Or something even better: a mailing list. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list is where you can find it. Much friendlier than Usenet, and the software itself is developed by the FLUFL. > If I'd be conspiracy theorist I would conclude that Google > is up to something bad in trying to make using newsgroups > nearly impossible by their badly broken stuff (and, to add > credibility to such a claim, their complete disregard for > all the criticism they got over the years, actually making > each version of Google groups even worse), but it's rather > likely just another case of pure incompetence (or a "why > should we care" attitude:-( They shouldn=E2=80=99t care because Usenet users often yell =E2=80=9CGet of= f my lawn!=E2=80=9D. Young people don=E2=80=99t use newsgroups. They don=E2=80= =99t even know what Usenet is. -- Kwpolska | GPG KEY: 5EAAEA16 stop html mail | always bottom-post http://asciiribbon.org | http://caliburn.nl/topposting.html