Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'api.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'nicely': 0.07; 'attempted': 0.09; 'objects.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'python.': 0.11; 'from:addr:behnel.de': 0.16; 'from:addr:stefan_ml': 0.16; 'from:name:stefan behnel': 0.16; 'guess.': 0.16; 'lookups.': 0.16; 'price,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'unicode?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'attribute': 0.18; 'stefan': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'library': 0.20; '(or': 0.21; 'so.': 0.22; "aren't": 0.22; 'oriented': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; '2015': 0.23; "i've": 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'script': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'small,': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'this.': 0.28; 'skip:( 20': 0.28; 'embed': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.31; "i'd": 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.32; '[1]': 0.32; 'embedded': 0.32; 'lets': 0.33; 'though.': 0.33; 'add': 0.34; 'gives': 0.35; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.35; 'really': 0.35; 'list': 0.35; 'handle': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'is,': 0.38; 'application': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'easily': 0.39; 'received:de': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'even': 0.61; 'here.': 0.61; 'hear': 0.62; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.64; 'price': 0.68; 'received:178': 0.72; 'weaker': 0.84; 'whitelist': 0.84; 'approach.': 0.91; 'ask,': 0.91; 'dare': 0.91; 'serious': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Stefan Behnel Subject: Re: Creating a reliable sandboxed Python environment Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 08:18:34 +0200 References: <60b424a2-2273-42b2-b60c-92656af0afa5@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dslb-178-007-067-223.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432880327 news.xs4all.nl 2882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91431 Chris Angelico schrieb am 28.05.2015 um 20:51: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: >> davidfstr@gmail.com schrieb am 26.05.2015 um 04:24: >>> Has anyone on this list attempted to sandbox Python programs in a >>> serious fashion? I'd be interested to hear your approach. >> >> Not quite sandboxing Python, but I've seen people use my Lupa [1] library >> for this. They're writing all their code in Python, and then let users >> embed their own Lua code into it to script their API. The Lua runtime is >> apparently quite good at sandboxing, and it's really small, just some 600KB >> or so. Lupa then lets you easily control the access to your Python code at >> a whitelist level by intercepting all Python attribute lookups. >> >> It doesn't add much to your application to embed Lua (or even LuaJIT) in >> Python, and it gives users a nicely object oriented language to call and >> orchestrate your Python objects. > > Lua's a much weaker language than Python is, though. Can it handle > arbitrary-precision integers? Unicode? Dare I even ask, > arbitrary-precision rationals (fractions.Fraction)? All of those and way more, as long as you use it embedded in Python. > Security comes at a price, I guess. Sure, but features aren't the price here. Stefan