Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; 'command-line': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'suggest': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'beginning.': 0.16; 'doctests': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'idle,': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'subject:Mentor': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'code.': 0.20; 'smallest': 0.22; "i'd": 0.22; 'work.': 0.23; 'script': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'first.': 0.27; 'small,': 0.27; 'strongly': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'developing': 0.28; 'actual': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'code': 0.31; 'quickly': 0.32; 'control,': 0.33; 'idle': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'agreed': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'said,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'test': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'editor': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'help': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'subject:Need': 0.61; 'needs,': 0.62; 'facilities': 0.69; '2013': 0.84; 'construct': 0.84; 'habit.': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kEulb0q4zmuzTxkhDYQrgKAEWSBmLE/OivO2y6idVfs=; b=K3MnDlzBmyfcoUg5bJgnOvS1ozvMgMAhaf1uRrCpKGEb0zp/bWHWDLyYlsrR27i2IK 8QZ+YIn2nmKFZcJ/atpKWxpkaf878JqVR795fdE7E24i2L/LTHf+ELamn0+uzJIbDl2e tUB67s1aXg94PFj1zzFzZpWwfHfr/pg3G14Pky/tq54CedrE+Y35lIfGDxO9WtbEoE2M kUq4RvILbzTZnyhnHVashPHrPaC5DfWUCtLcT2qoY9wq7pJ5aWlyXundDfimucZBnZzR zSRVotG/4s9hV0n6+/svwVxlDt6HX9yFU2lYiXJBlnM5PMgDTsYhofLMIdQ0e1Mgzob9 pMiw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <89b75a8a-a2a4-4586-8eff-b9c429e796ed@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 03:30:09 +1100 Subject: Re: New in Python , Need a Mentor From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357144212 news.xs4all.nl 6883 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42078 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35976 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: > Chris Angelico : >>I strongly recommend IDLE - much >>better editing/recall facilities than the command-line Python has), >>and work through the tutorial: > > Well, this is certainly a matter of taste. I'd recommend using some > small, language independent programmers editor and some modern > distributed version control system right at the beginning. Put your > code, even the smallest snippets, under version control, make that a > habit. Write small doctests for your code from the very beginning. Try > to construct your code so that it works equally well as a module and as > a standalone script Don't start developing web applications, write > some small utilities for your own needs, first. > > Personally, I suggest SciTE and TortoiseHG on Windows, but that too is, > as I said, a matter of taste. I don't edit code in IDLE, I just use it for interactive work. For actual script editing, agreed (though I use git rather than hg), but it really does help to have a way to *very* quickly test a line or two of code. ChrisA