Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.118 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.78; '*S*': 0.02; 'extent': 0.07; 'failing': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'effect,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:default': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'read,': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'technology.': 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'protocols': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'service,': 0.32; 'interface': 0.32; 'standards': 0.33; 'etc': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'expected': 0.38; 'implement': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'office': 0.60; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'hours': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; '26,': 0.68; 'internet': 0.71; 'a.m.': 0.84; 'athens': 0.84; 'symptoms': 0.84; 'us?': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; 'subject:Don': 0.91; 'whereas': 0.91; 'responses': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Don't use default Google Group client Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:02:19 +1100 References: <6f2b7$525f2302$5419b3e4$13466@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <13f400f3-7f64-45e3-8483-160fd1f28158@googlegroups.com> <526b2b90$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <374dc0e1-a464-4c5e-a7c5-369db22c0800@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ufNHJ4v3SNKwsDyXbsWRjzG+B6s= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382792551 news.xs4all.nl 15973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56790 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.franciliens.net!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57602 rusi writes: > On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:10:16 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Do you really intend to say that we have no right to complain about > > how difficult Google Groups makes it for us? > > I think you are mixing up cause and effect, symptom and disease, Steven. > > The symptoms are > 1. Double spaced responses > 2. Non/improper attribution Both of which are Google Groups failing to implement established standard interfaces. > The 'disease' is: > > Google-groups is current technology Google Groups attempts to interface with standard protocols of communication, and gets it wrong. Google are well-informed of the ways in which Google Groups is misbehaving, and they are disinclined to fix the misbehaviour. > whereas newsgroups/feeds etc is pre-www technology. So what? Much of the internet is pre-WWW, too. That doesn't excuse the misbehaviour of software which purports to interface with standard protocols but gets them wrong. To the extent that the mis-implementation of Google Groups makes messages from there more difficult to read, its users should be agitating for Google to fix the service, and/or switching to software which conforms to standards better. -- \ “Visitors are expected to complain at the office between the | `\ hours of 9 and 11 a.m. daily.” —hotel, Athens | _o__) | Ben Finney