Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.115 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.77; '*S*': 0.00; 'correct,': 0.09; 'if,': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'compression': 0.16; 'coordinates': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'stored.': 0.16; 'storing': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'certainly': 0.24; 'exists': 0.24; 'keyboard': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'then.': 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'microsoft,': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'becomes': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'possible.': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; '(2)': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'disk': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'operating': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'experts': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'lost': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'due': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; 'computers': 0.72; 'increasing': 0.74; 'race': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=waPAjWCqvWLCCBkUOgC88p/o1nJcpb/MKkqYqlVI5/g=; b=e0kHxvULRSt7evXZAUIFhBtFkbdSopPpVivDD/Zo9KT46vZRQaywzwAkOyVBJ6QTsK M3ymTak6ctH2gm6fRdVvhi83AWVNUCU73zzzr+cwkoQpiaNZiiQKL/e5VzEw4WAJtnyW mh9nkfKtgVkpJObitrZDBzLtWlnStRo2CoUKZs2qjhp/NbHD+zelweViJlZXxEIaBebM itT6UdL7VZfnhFSMjrbGaSL80A1r+YjUerO7fKGEkTedA69InG5tiQRawlO/pvX0S+GB bUdNhCHuurhpXrAY2+JF1vyXC4b9Ig/KDwPl/TPcRNU/FBXWnZQUUs5xqLBfZBnblTGU NjVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.15.193 with SMTP id z1mr14996043vec.40.1368321551437; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:19:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:19:11 +1000 Subject: Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368321559 news.xs4all.nl 15965 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:32887 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45164 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber >> wrote: > > >>> The coordinates of each particle storing the information in that >>> teaspoon of matter. >> >> >> Which is probably more data than any of us will keyboard in a >> lifetime. Hence my point. > > > My 1TB hard disk *already* contains more information than > I could keyboard in my lifetime. > > The fact that it all got there is due to two things: (1) > I didn't have to enter it all myself, and (2) most of it > was auto-generated from other information, using compilers > and other such tools. I would like to differentiate between information and data, here. Point 1 is correct, but point 2 is not; auto-generated data is not more information, and basic data compression can improve that. (Simple form of compression there: `rm *.o` - you've lost nothing.) > Our disk capacities are increasing exponentially, but > so is the rate at which we have the ability to create > information. I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point > before the human race becomes extinct, we build > computers whose operating system requires more than > a teaspoonful of atoms to store. Especially if > Microsoft still exists by then. :-) That's possible. But that would be data bloat, not true information. It's certainly possible to conceive more data than can be stored. Microsoft, as you cite, are experts at this :) ChrisA