Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.057 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.01; 'english.': 0.04; '*not*': 0.07; 'explanation': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'chris,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'subject:time': 0.33; 'equal': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'rich': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'lost': 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; '20,': 0.68; 'equals': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'computers.': 0.84; 'sight': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'laser': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=LGC5Pr54Vxrf5ub+HQkeCkXpb2Z1ItpTxGq9EyRS1YQ=; b=AFULYHuQh88Hg4EJXgqD1Tgj54ka2Wv2uiV66l1gkZRVsnE4pYVk3y+bm1p4wsrLpw hXfFpUtITGjvrslwibq+GdcKiASOq7/trrCo9kevroxoVDZiA390c/u8gClLgMUoEd9u UEOXL5n86YSg/S0H0LJn8aP+k5wzDiTJzM+S5GnGwJeU/HGRrADOMjKsEpunWqnLjEFM zDwUnK8GP+V+PqGmcNVTpCW1mMHKZlmB2W+ixLS2+F4gEsb07EJcWRk7sE4GnFEzcXoD OLwWCerTNM/XkdX/9qTZ4LdbUllhoGuK19xUxORfUDB7P15qy8XOXxc79SNw9FLdlgmJ 0ofA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.43.196 with SMTP id y4mr25261167igl.14.1432089366593; Tue, 19 May 2015 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <555bf0d7$0$12980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <9ceklad15llnv3npejq9iuh91soci8aeqo@4ax.com> <7ea01590-a559-46e5-abf5-29622e39aae7@googlegroups.com> <555ac697$0$12910$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <862693ca-42cf-4f5b-ac12-133e43e7606b@googlegroups.com> <878uclf3bt.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <555af171$0$12995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <874mn9ezaw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <555b2fa9$0$12996$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <555bf0d7$0$12980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:36:06 +1000 Subject: Re: Slices time complexity From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432089369 news.xs4all.nl 2849 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35619 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90917 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:31 am, Gregory Ewing wrote: > >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Chris, that is one of the best explanations for why "references equals >>> pointers" is *not* a good explanation for Python's behaviour. >> >> Many people here seem to have lost sight of the >> fact that the word "pointer" existed in the English >> language long before C, and even long before computers. > > Many people here seem to have lost sight of the fact that the > word "computer" existed in the English language long before ENIAC and > Colossus, and even before Babbage's Difference Engine. I have a laser printer. Its address is 192.168.0.119. I also have a laser pointer; is it equal to 192.168.0.119? Ahh, English. So rich with equivocations. ChrisA