Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.024 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'x-mailer:apple mail (2.936)': 0.03; 'python.': 0.05; 'python': 0.07; 'admit': 0.09; 'indicates': 0.09; 'subject:method': 0.09; 'essentially': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'from:addr:brian': 0.16; 'subject:sort': 0.16; 'awesome': 0.19; 'modules': 0.20; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'cheers,': 0.20; 'appropriate': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.22; 'fail': 0.22; 'issue,': 0.23; 'purposes.': 0.23; 'asked': 0.25; "i'm": 0.26; 'developers': 0.28; 'core': 0.28; 'discussed': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'recreate': 0.31; 'survive': 0.31; 'cross': 0.33; 'module': 0.33; 'test': 0.33; "isn't": 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'point': 0.35; 'rather': 0.36; 'brian': 0.36; 'feature': 0.36; 'think': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "we're": 0.37; 'case': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'third': 0.38; 'cc:2**1': 0.38; 'under': 0.39; 'where': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'issues': 0.39; 'similar': 0.40; 'would': 0.40; 'simple': 0.60; 'learn': 0.60; 'address': 0.61; 'back': 0.61; 'header:Message- Id:1': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; 'received:121': 0.77; 'popularity': 0.84; 'subject:removal': 0.84; 'viable': 0.84; 'acknowledge': 0.96; 'investing': 0.98 X-pair-Authenticated: 121.44.78.172 From: Brian Quinlan To: geremy condra In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Guido rethinking removal of cmp from sort method Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:34:34 +1000 References: <4d8bd8a1$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4d8d1203$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4d90ac87$0$30000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20110329084657.GE26597@trout.vub.ac.be> <4d93e360$0$29996$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4d9670a9$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4d97020f$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: python-list@python.org, Steven D'Aprano X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1301812482 news.xs4all.nl 81473 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:46852 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:2505 On 3 Apr 2011, at 16:22, geremy condra wrote: > I think we're talking at cross purposes. The point I'm making is that > there are lots of issues where popularity as a third party module > isn't really a viable test for whether a feature is sufficiently > awesome to be in core python. As part of determining whether I thought > it was appropriate in this case I essentially just asked myself > whether any of the really good and necessary parts of Python would > fail to be readmitted under similar circumstances, and I think the > answer is that very few would come back in. To me, that indicates that > this isn't the right way to address this issue, although I admit that > I lack any solid proof to base that conclusion on. This has been discussed a few times on python-dev. I think that most developers acknowledge that small-but-high-utility modules would not survive outside of the core because people would simple recreate them rather than investing the time to find, learn and use them. Cheers, Brian