Path: csiph.com!eeepc.pasdenom.info!news.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'idle': 0.05; 'imports': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'tracker': 0.07; 'optional.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'am,': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'intro': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:IDLE': 0.16; 'topic?': 0.16; 'fix': 0.20; '(or': 0.21; 'jan': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.23; 'installation': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'discussion': 0.27; 'anyone': 0.27; 'module': 0.27; 'perhaps': 0.29; 'thanks': 0.30; 'attribute': 0.30; 'reference': 0.30; 'list': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.31; 'worry': 0.31; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.32; 'none': 0.32; 'google': 0.33; 'causing': 0.33; 'there': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'change': 0.34; 'received:org': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'used': 0.36; 'change.': 0.37; 'similar': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'some': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'could': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'give': 0.61; 'course,': 0.62; 'link': 0.66; 'what,': 0.67; 'view.': 0.72; '11:18': 0.84; 'regarded': 0.84; 'anything,': 0.93; 'joel': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:15:27 -0500 References: <4871f$4d4734d6$4275d90a$28417@FUSE.NET> <4b4eeb69-133b-4aac-8817-6d74ebdae0ac@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 In-Reply-To: <4b4eeb69-133b-4aac-8817-6d74ebdae0ac@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1296587740 news.xs4all.nl 41113 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:40874 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55971 On 2/1/2011 11:18 AM, rantingrick wrote: > Well the best attribute of IDLE is backward compatibility -- there is > none to worry about. IDLE is not a module with an interface, it's just > a tool. So we could change anything we want without worry of causing > code breakage. There is not good reason NOT to fix IDLE. That is similar to my view. Of course, there will be an tracker issue and list discussion for any major change. I have even thought it should perhaps be moved to the Tools/ directory, but installation of that is optional. Google codesearch can be used to see what, if anything, anyone imports from idlelib. > Agreed. Terry (or anyone) can you give some link to info on "hg" so i > can study up on this topic? Thanks Joel Spolsky's tutorial is highly regarded as an easier intro than the reference manual. I am about to reread it myself. http://hginit.com/ -- Terry Jan Reedy