Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Convert input to upper case on screen as it is typed Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 05:11:42 +1000 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <85oa9cyiqt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85bn5cy6bz.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8537qoy49y.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85zisqratt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de UrT1gyHupW6TqzunQNxn1QyfyaEAV3HIG2ppTiiMeIpw== Cancel-Lock: sha1:gu4WpH/1KiSVNKrPi0L02hupWwA= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'converts': 0.07; 'escape': 0.07; 'sequences.': 0.07; 'garbage': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'unicode,': 0.09; 'causing': 0.13; '(legacy)': 0.16; '8bit%:26': 0.16; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'attributes.': 0.16; 'blindly': 0.16; 'fine).': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'scientists': 0.16; 'screen,': 0.16; 'subject:Convert': 0.16; 'subject:case': 0.16; 'subject:screen': 0.16; 'attribute': 0.18; 'bytes': 0.18; 'documented': 0.18; 'ascii': 0.22; 'assumes': 0.22; 'text,': 0.22; 'unix': 0.24; 'feature': 0.24; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'turns': 0.27; 'ansi': 0.29; 'behaviour': 0.29; 'dan': 0.29; 'feature,': 0.29; 'preserve': 0.29; 'regardless': 0.31; 'useful': 0.33; 'stream': 0.33; 'wrap': 0.33; 'requirements': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'done': 0.35; 'mapping': 0.35; 'text.': 0.35; 'unicode': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'others.': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'setting': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'suggestion': 0.37; 'represent': 0.38; 'end': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'address': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.70; '8bit%:43': 0.72; 'upper': 0.76; 'hoping': 0.77; 'low': 0.83; '_o__)': 0.84; 'notably,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'ominous': 0.91; 'religion': 0.91; 'works!': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <85zisqratt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-Mailman-Original-References: <85oa9cyiqt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85bn5cy6bz.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8537qoy49y.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107275 Ben Finney writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > > Okay, ‘termios.tcgetattr’ will let me preserve the attributes, and > > with Dan Sommers's suggestion of which attribute to use, I may have > > a shot at setting the terminal attributes. > > This works! Except, it doesn't. As designed and documented in the Single Unix Specification , the behaviour of the OLCUC feature is: OLCUC Map lower case to upper on output. (LEGACY) That ominous “LEGACY” annotation is applied, notably, to all the case-conversion features of ‘termios’. The mapping is ignorant of Unicode, ignorant of ANSI escape sequences; it blindly converts bytes via a mapping that assumes all bytes are ASCII text, regardless of whether those bytes actually represent text. It breaks the “visual bell” feature, among others. I end up with garbage on the screen, that would otherwise have been Unicode text or useful control sequences. > I had been hoping that I could simply wrap some stream in a simple > “convert what they actually type so it's upper case” text codec, > without fiddling at such a low operating-system specific level. This > is rather more esoteric than I had hoped. And, it turns out, doesn't address the requirements without causing more problems. I am still looking for a solution (a Python-specific one would be fine). -- \ “Anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of | `\ religion should be done and may in the end be our greatest | _o__) contribution to civilization.” —Steven Weinberg | Ben Finney