Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'debugging': 0.07; 'initialize': 0.07; 'steve': 0.09; 'code"': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'input:': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'loud': 0.16; 'n/a': 0.16; 'python",': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'recently.': 0.16; 'reminded': 0.16; 'rules.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'second': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'values': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'appear': 0.29; 'specifically': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'said,': 0.30; 'you?': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'subject:end': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'cases': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'referred': 0.60; 'break': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'discuss': 0.62; "you've": 0.63; 'making': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'occur': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'p.s.': 0.66; 'bothered': 0.68; 'programs,': 0.74; 'sir,': 0.81; 'glad': 0.83; 'about?': 0.84; 'beats': 0.84; 'boys': 0.84; 'distinctive': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'upset': 0.84; 'zen': 0.84; 'have.': 0.93; 'technique': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python Front-end to GCC Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 21:44:36 +0100 References: <4012031f-5334-4be8-a673-e0d8c8917fb2@googlegroups.com> <52669852$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5266aa80$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5266b496$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <526A81A4.4040100@nedbatchelder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-201-160.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382733895 news.xs4all.nl 16002 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48996 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57561 On 25/10/2013 21:29, Mark Janssen wrote: >>>> We've been discussing *DEBUGGING*. >>> >>> Are you making it LOUD and *clear* that you don't know what you're >>> talking about? >> >> Input: Yes/no >> >> no >> >> Now please explain what you do not understand about the data below that's >> been written by Oscar Benjamin, myself and Ned Batchelder, specifically the >> use of the word *DEBUGGING*. Is this a word that does not appear in your >> text books? > > Yes. > > And how do I explain what I do NOT understand? > >> If that is in fact the case would you like one of the >> experienced practical programmers on this list to explain it to you? > > N/A > >> Have >> you ever bothered to read "The Zen of Python", specifically the bit about >> "Practicality beats purity"? > > Yes, I have. And if you have read that, you know that preceding that > is the rule "Special cases aren't enough to break the rules." > > You sir, have broken the rules, you should not be preaching > "practicality" if you don't know the rules. > > Now take your choir boys there and sit down. > > Mark > > P.S. > >>> In his book "Writing Solid Code" Steve Maguire states that he >>> initialises with 0xA3 for Macintosh programs, and that Microsoft uses >>> 0xCC, for exactly the reasons that you describe above. > > I will be glad to discuss all these arcane measures, when you aren't > all being asswipes. > >>> It's a useful debugging technique to initialize memory to distinctive >>> values that should never occur in real data. > > As I said, you're going something wrong. > >> Python is the second best programming language in the world. >> But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer > > When you're ready to make Python the best programming language in the > world, re-engage. > Please show rather less arrogance. Or are you upset at me as I've reminded you and told everybody else that you've been referred to on a Python list as a quack? I do admit that in your case I find quack very suitable, it has a ring to it that far outweighs troll, which Tim Delany has used fairly recently. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence