Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Terry Reedy Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: We will be moving to GitHub Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:24:59 -0500 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de bUzSD0IRMG4ahf0FGH1t0wxQCIJ8u6mOwcpXACMhxCfw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'guido': 0.05; 'preference': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'familiarity': 0.07; 'brett': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.11; '2016': 0.16; "brett's": 0.16; 'champion': 0.16; 'contributors': 0.16; 'devs': 0.16; 'discusses': 0.16; 'guessing': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'stepped': 0.16; 'tool.': 0.16; 'weight,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'obviously': 0.16; 'solution.': 0.18; 'contributed': 0.20; 'so.': 0.22; 'arguments': 0.22; 'mind.': 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; "python's": 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'external': 0.27; 'fri,': 0.27; 'archives': 0.29; 'summary': 0.29; 'core': 0.32; 'options': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'particular,': 0.33; 'proposals': 0.33; 'could': 0.35; 'clear': 0.35; 'easiest': 0.35; 'list:': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:71': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'mailing': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'decision': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'between': 0.65; 'capable': 0.65; 'believe': 0.66; 'stated': 0.70; 'account.': 0.80; 'particular:': 0.84; 'prefers': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.88; 'amongst': 0.91; 're- activate': 0.91; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.91; 'ware': 0.91; 'choice.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-185-227-36.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:101128 On 1/1/2016 4:08 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:03 PM, wrote: >> Is there a summary document that discusses the options examined and why >> others did not meet the requirements? I am -NOT- trying to dredge up >> arguments about the choice. I am guessing that there have been some. > > Easiest would be to look through the archives of the core-workflow > mailing list: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/core-workflow/ In particular: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/core-workflow/2016-January/000345.html . >> If this fact-based decision was based solely on the fact that the BDFL >> prefers GitHub, please just say so. It is clear that git is a capable tool. > > There were three reasons given in Brett's decision message: > > 1. No major distinguishing features between GitHub or GitLab > > Note that GitHub and GitLab were the only proposals under > consideration; nobody else stepped up to champion any other solution. > > 2. Familiarity amongst core devs -- and external contributors -- with GitHub In particular, some inactive contributors who use git and github apparently emailed Brett to say that they might re-activate if they could use the process they otherwise use all the time instead of Python's idiosyncratic workflow. While the decision might not be my personal first choice, we absolutely need more core developers contributing, including reviewing contributed patches. > 3. Guido prefers GitHub > > Guido repeatedly stated that his preference should not be taken into > account. I believe Brett gave it little weight, but obviously it was > in his mind. -- Terry Jan Reedy