Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.029 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'debugging': 0.07; 'initialize': 0.07; 'arrays': 0.09; 'debugging.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'array.': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; "didn't,": 0.16; 'hex': 0.16; 'nan': 0.16; 'passing': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'certainly': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'values': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'subject:end': 0.31; 'something': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'chairman': 0.36; 'curious': 0.36; 'described': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'digital': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'kind': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'occur': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'request.': 0.70; 'computers': 0.72; 'distinctive': 0.84; 'to:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84; 'technique': 0.93; 'washington': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=60EPnXxd9Z+TsNAn0TnI4qSQ3TQPZBYZppbfBzTZ7i4=; b=JZe9RzbxHQo+xD2muRJ8F/MyVgtMsr7vpFrcjhsJZrVZ0dO7wOeAqOj+0mLLg4ma+T 7FJl0Vy8NVtEUJRBmiQk1D8W4+aB9MSw9Lq0488sFz/mHaX4Q6xao9659AOREXI2Qj7I BQsOqxOCxtTNbcjrcyils8ISEi+Mxc3XRRoHgnLlOnfCw52J/OpqvnyXzEPljn9V4SKk rYqzy6TAI408Ypa3u2cI9Izq2BJHUwKbS5kGXQc7Ip/ONzj/CZbRXl8u+tIdUgt9ksFl P3Q//OK/fVOV8LzL/n2NbUHthf1cavuQNIwzmGz1DYDYQNUIn34hfm72fkzuQCzQPrRp ogzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.76.48 with SMTP id h16mr3715060wiw.32.1382726743609; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:45:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4012031f-5334-4be8-a673-e0d8c8917fb2@googlegroups.com> <5264dbbe$0$30000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5265bba8$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <526668e5$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52669852$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5266aa80$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5266b496$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <526A81A4.4040100@nedbatchelder.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:45:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Python Front-end to GCC From: Mark Janssen To: Mark Lawrence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382726751 news.xs4all.nl 15864 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46487 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57544 >>>>>> OTOH why in particular would you want to initialise them with zeros? I >>>>>> often initialise arrays to nan which is useful for debugging. >>>> >>>> Is this some kind of joke? What has this list become? >>> >>> It's a useful debugging technique to initialize memory to distinctive >>> values that should never occur in real data. >> >> If you're doing this, you're doing something wrong. Please give me >> the hex value for NaN so I can initialize with my array. > > It is clear that you know as much about debugging as you do about objects > and message passing [...] can see why the > BDFL described you as an embarrassment, and if he didn't, he certainly > should have done. Clearly the python list has been taken over by TheKooks. Notice he did not respond to the request. Since we are talking about digital computers (with digital memory), I'm really curious what the hex value for NaN is to initialize my arrays.... All hail chairman Meow. Dismissed. -- MarkJ Tacoma, Washington