Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'none:': 0.05; 'arg': 0.09; 'comment,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'def': 0.14; 'argument': 0.15; 'bugs.': 0.16; "method's": 0.16; 'pythonic': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'set,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'arguments': 0.22; 'pass': 0.22; 'wrote': 0.23; 'example': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'checking': 0.27; 'actual': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'source': 0.31; 'skip:_ 10': 0.32; 'choosing': 0.33; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'changed': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.35; 'identity': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'matter': 0.63; 'frank': 0.72; 'obvious': 0.72; 'russell': 0.84; 'subject:via': 0.84; 'variation': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: "Frank Millman" Subject: Re: Argument Presence Checking via Identity or Boolean Operation? Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:34:28 +0200 References: X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.86.223.171 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.4657 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4913 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433406882 news.xs4all.nl 2945 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92040 "Peter Otten" <__peter__@web.de> wrote in message news:mkp10p$n0l$1@ger.gmane.org... > Russell Brennan wrote: > >> I'm going to x-post this to stackoverflow but... >> >> When checking a method's arguments to see whether they were set, is it >> pythonic to do an identity check: >> >> def doThis(arg1, arg2=None): >> if arg2 is None: >> arg2 = myClass() >> >> >> Or is it proper form to use a short-circuiting boolean: >> >> def doThis(arg1, arg2=None): >> arg2 = arg2 or myClass() > > When I read this I always have to stop and consider whether there are > valid > falsey arguments that could be passed as arg2. > > An obvious example is > > def do_this(arg=None): > arg = arg or [] > arg.append(42) > > a = [] > do_this(a) > do_this(a) > print(a) # expected: [42, 42] actual output: [] > > Choosing the first approach is not just a matter of style, it avoids a > source of subtle bugs. > I have a slight variation in that I want to keep a reference to the argument - def __init__(self, arg=None): self.arg = arg or [] Based on your comment, I have changed it to - def __init__(self, arg=None): self.arg = [] if arg is None else arg Does this pass your 'stop and consider' test? Frank Millman