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Subject: Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML?
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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> When the two young lads from the consultants I was working with back in 2000
> found a bug with xml handling in the supplier's software I almost ended up
> in tears.  Why?  They didn't bother reporting it, they simply modified all
> their unit testing data to work around the problem, so when we got to
> integration testing nothing worked at all.

See, that's not a problem with XML. That's not even a problem with
unit testing. That's a problem with the belief that the most important
thing is to have your tests pass. Sigh.

ChrisA