Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'memory.': 0.05; 'say,': 0.05; 'does,': 0.09; 'happen.': 0.09; 'python:': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; ':-)': 0.13; 'clunky': 0.16; 'consciously': 0.16; 'emacs,': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sequence.': 0.16; 'typo': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'typing': 0.17; 'combination': 0.22; 'commands,': 0.22; 'tells': 0.22; "i'd": 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'user.': 0.23; 'command': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'fit': 0.26; 'actual': 0.28; 'run': 0.28; 'editors': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'becomes': 0.30; 'stuff': 0.30; 'curious': 0.33; 'point,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'point.': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'or,': 0.34; 'needed': 0.35; 'consistent': 0.35; 'mapping': 0.35; 'especially': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'characters': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'perform': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'times': 0.63; 'making': 0.64; 'smith': 0.71; 'power': 0.74; '100': 0.78; 'article': 0.78; '"what': 0.84; 'keystrokes': 0.84; 'moderately': 0.84; 'often,': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'technique': 0.93; 'imagine': 0.96 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:32:13 -0500 From: Mitya Sirenef User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? References: <50e25c10$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357068738 news.xs4all.nl 6972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58299 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35913 On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Mitya Sirenef wrote: > >> Clunky is the last word I'd use to describe it (ok maybe for Emacs :-) >> I probably remember about 200 commands, plus or minus, but a lot of them >> fit into a consistent scheme which makes them much easier to remember > > At some point, it becomes muscle memory, which means you don't even > consciously know what you're typing. Your brain just says, "delete the > next three words" and your fingers move in some way which causes that to > happen. This is certainly true with emacs, and I imagine it's just as > true with people who use inferior editors :-) > > I used to do a bunch of pair programming with another emacs power user. > Every once in a while, one of us would say something like, "What did you > just do?", when the other performed some emacs technique one of us was > not familiar with. Invariably, the answer would be, "I don't know", and > you would have to back up and recreate the key sequence. Or, just run > C-? l, which tells you the last 100 characters you typed. > > Case in point. I use C-? l moderately often, when I make some typo and > I'm not sure what I did wrong. But, despite the fact that my fingers > now how to perform "show me the last stuff I typed", I had to go hunting > to find the actual keystrokes which does that when typing the above > paragraph :-) That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though if I actually needed to use it, it pops right out, so to find out, I have to try it and then I say, "of course, dammit, I use this command 50 times every single day!"; so it's a curious case of one-directional memory. -- Lark's Tongue Guide to Python: http://lightbird.net/larks/