Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'exercise': 0.04; 'pop': 0.05; 'may,': 0.09; 'thrown': 0.09; 'vast': 0.09; 'stored': 0.12; '"hey': 0.16; '1:08': 0.16; '4gb': 0.16; 'exponential': 0.16; 'finite': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'growth.': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'planet,': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; "world's": 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'server.': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'environment': 0.24; 'supported': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to?': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'ahead.': 0.31; 'consumption': 0.31; 'factor': 0.31; 'slot': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'worked': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'display': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'disk': 0.36; 'installing': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'today,': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'pick': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'kept': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; 'physical': 0.72; 'industry': 0.73; 'leaders': 0.83; '3.5"': 0.84; 'around,': 0.84; 'ian,': 0.84; 'lasting': 0.84; 'controller': 0.91; 'increases': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TGtBqgXw/rUJi0jLIJeQfr47fViBgyKrEGDAhbkTQio=; b=RYDFM6lpt09gLpGSd0XJlaW8JUJNqYBofhDSoplXcCla+sOUjOl3YKrrMCwM6s0NCT 2QoIFOqHLux1WQq/qtrFYE3XgPHKI0qFj4rKVk2eoZNjTCxpbjB0vAZUEoB1Uxwc9ROO XWJ1jbmpUHhCbiHRrAkC76fcgMAcT12eEHMuIbTmynj2bLr4eU+b7Ox8eBQ00oAFa7tI YAVRmmbwfm1hf1nPdkw9OBSGs3p6w+XoC3UgXjMkHeqGhpAB6S5cXIVTwl41KIMCGRQI f0kHHAdSEucq4VkINj1+8jU4Ien8+PLRQCy8EG1FalJ0hcPQEuecFFtS6pNDYlVDuv9A hhlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.83.138 with SMTP id f10mr10004912vcl.7.1368160432393; Thu, 09 May 2013 21:33:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5167F327.3030803@nedbatchelder.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:33:52 +1000 Subject: Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368160434 news.xs4all.nl 15939 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55441 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45081 On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, alex23 wrote: >> On 10 May, 07:51, Mark Janssen wrote: >>> You see Ian, while you and the other millions of coding practitioners >>> have (mal)adapted to a suboptimal coding environment where "hey >>> there's a language for everyone" and terms are thrown around, >>> misused, this is not how it needs or should be. >> >> Please cite your industry experience so we know this is a pragmatic >> exercise for you and not a display of public onanism. > > "Industry experience...." > > Do you know all the world's [industrial] leaders are endorsing an > impossible path of endless, exponential growth on a finite planet? > > Is that who you answer to? I don't answer to them. I also believe in a path of endless exponential growth. Challenge: Create more information than can be stored in one teaspoon of matter. Go ahead. Try! The first hard disk I ever worked with stored 20MB in the space of a 5.25" slot (plus its associated ISA controller card). Later on we got 3.5" form factor drives, and I remember installing this *gigantic* FOUR GIGABYTE drive into our disk server. Wow! We'll NEVER use all that space! (Well, okay. Even then we knew that space consumption kept going up. But we did figure on that 4GB lasting us a good while, which it did.) Today, I can pop into Budget PC or MSY (or you folks in the US could check out newegg) and pick up a terabyte of storage in the same amount of physical space, or you can go 2.5" form factor and take up roughly a fifth of the physical space and still get half a terabyte fairly cheaply. So our exponential growth is being supported by exponential increases in data per cubic meter. Between that and the vast size of this planet, I don't think we really need to worry too much about finite limits to IT growth. ChrisA