Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
Return-Path: <python.list@tim.thechases.com>
X-Original-To: python-list@python.org
Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org
X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006
X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'vi,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; ':-)': 0.13; '-tkc': 0.16; "apple's": 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'message-id:@tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'received:70.251': 0.16; 'received:dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:swbell.net': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'help.': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'command': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'no,': 0.29; 'keyword': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'item': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'you.': 0.61; "you've": 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'bring': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'reply': 0.66; 'power': 0.74; 'course...': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:23:03 -0600
From: Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>
Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?
X-Priority: 5 (Lowest)
References: <50e25c10$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20130101101257.GA11468@cskk.homeip.net>
In-Reply-To: <20130101101257.GA11468@cskk.homeip.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com
Cc: python-list@python.org
X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/>
List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org>
List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
Message-ID: <mailman.1515.1357050109.29569.python-list@python.org>
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6
X-Trace: 1357050109 news.xs4all.nl 6867 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60407
X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl
Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35889

On 01/01/13 04:12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> I must admit I find Apple's "help" search box neat this way - you
> can type a keyword is it will actually find the menu item for
> you. Not that I use this for vi, of course...

If you've not used it, Vim's ":helpgrep" command provides full Vim 
regexp power for searching Vim's help.

> No, ">" is indent: it means shift-right. For Python you'd set
> the shiftwidth to 4

For PEP8, you'd also want to set 'expandtab'.  Just to bring my 
semi-OT reply back around to Python :-)

-tkc