Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.032 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'class,': 0.07; 'builtins': 0.09; 'global,': 0.09; 'globals': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'identifiers.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'variables': 0.17; 'examples': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'feb': 0.19; 'module': 0.19; 'variable': 0.20; 'skip:_ 20': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'module.': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; 'block,': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'equivalent.': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'things,': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'johnson': 0.32; 'qualify': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'skip:g 30': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'containing': 0.61; 'skip:a 40': 0.61; 'making': 0.64; 'skip:n 40': 0.72; '2013': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'qualified:': 0.84; 'say:': 0.84; 'rick': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iREpYnr5ILmLHuww2gq9r2MIWvf2tyVPuwhNr7uh5xM=; b=AEuun6DHlsWGHT8GTSf7c9pofhGJ7hQy6v4SURDhPYJwFTf/Vh6nGDgrR6SmbyowaQ KBgGtbe2LxnW98aRnqZ+gMfTYZF5dRUEJ0IfVImg9He2nyAu9IOMRxJZRTRJr5hHAKuZ rOodZQR11EF9M0FSJOV81ypBcDTmn4rqA8/5v2xN/ZIV4i0j/PIkJrbtR34pA3C6uWd8 kAPP5AdKDE3hl7JgycBWNUgYclphl0AcuQb5yZ7ciwKvb0I+KD/VIeQSqtg2Xp12EUa7 cfPBq41FLnCjFKKnInfkGSoabHAjof3nVnzQDJbYWJc7RnnoRl8V2SKI0AWsyTuEtUwx PnpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.97.165 with SMTP id eb5mr6231896veb.40.1360323498034; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:38:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5114e19a$0$29969$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <02ced8e2-5967-4ce0-b257-83c3a3fbaf8e@googlegroups.com> <5114e19a$0$29969$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:38:17 +1100 Subject: Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1360323501 news.xs4all.nl 6983 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38442 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Rick Johnson >> wrote: >>> It is my strong opinion that all "unqualified" variables must be local to >>> the containing block, func/meth, class, or module. To access any variable >>> outside of the local scope a programmer MUST qualify that variable with >>> the func, class, or module identifiers. Consider the following examples >> >> Okay. Now start actually working with things, instead of just making >> toys. All your builtins now need to be qualified: >> >> __builtins__.print("There >> are",__builtins__.len(self.some_list),"members in this list, >> namely:",__builtins__.repr(self.some_list)) > > > Pardon me, but since __builtins__ is a global, you have to say: > > globals.__builtins__.print("screw this for a game of soldiers") > > or equivalent. And isn't globals a builtin? ChrisA