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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:32:58 +1000
Subject: Re: Article on the future of Python
From: Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2012-09-27, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Given how Perl has slipped in the last decade or so, that would be a step
>>> backwards for Python :-P
>>
>> LAMP usually means PHP these days. There's a lot of that around.
>
> Yea, unfortunately.  What a mess of a language.  I recently had to
> learn enough PHP to make some changes to a web site we had done by an
> outside contractor.  PHP feels like it was designed by taking a
> half-dozen other languages, chopping them into bits and then pulling
> random features/syntax/semantics at random from the various different
> piles.  Those bits where then stuck together with duct tape and bubble
> gum and called PHP...
>
> As one of the contractors who wrote some of the PHP said: "PHP is like
> the worst parts of shell, Perl, and Java all combined into one
> language!"

I can't remember where I read it, and I definitely don't know if it's
accurate to current thinking, but the other day I found a quote
purporting to be from the creator of PHP saying that he didn't care
about memory leaks, just restart Apache periodically. It's definitely
true of most PHP scripts that they're unconcerned about resource
leakage, on the assumption that everything'll get cleared out at the
end of a page render. PHP seems to encourage sloppiness.

ChrisA