Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'frameworks': 0.05; 'any.': 0.09; 'metrics': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'static': 0.13; '12:17,': 0.16; 'fits': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'to:addr:robert.kern': 0.16; 'url:py': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '+0000': 0.20; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.20; 'skip:- 40': 0.21; 'people,': 0.21; 'interpret': 0.22; 'example': 0.23; 'to:2**1': 0.23; 'project,': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'initial': 0.28; 'agreed.': 0.29; 'convince': 0.29; 'date:': 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; 'usually': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'point': 0.31; 'you?': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'docs': 0.33; 'from:addr:live.com': 0.33; 'utility': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'nov': 0.35; 'robert': 0.35; 'subject:': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'depends': 0.36; 'email addr:python.org': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'from:': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'talk': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'email name:python-list': 0.62; 'world': 0.63; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'our': 0.65; 'believe': 0.69; 'analysis': 0.70; 'complexity': 0.84; 'eco': 0.84; 'excessive': 0.84; 'picture,': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84; 'url:master': 0.84; 'vision,': 0.84; 'you...': 0.96; 'charset:windows-1251': 0.97 X-Originating-IP: [194.44.213.194] X-EIP: [868kqV8inWJcb7IUKKBslSw8Rcw5SbUi] X-Originating-Email: [andriy.kornatskyy@live.com] From: Andriy Kornatskyy To: , "python-list@python.org" Subject: RE: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:47:03 +0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , , , ,,, , ,,, , ,,, ,,, , , , , , , , , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2012 12:47:03.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E679870:01CDC7E6] X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1353502090 news.xs4all.nl 6904 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44047 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:33730 Hm... what serves an evidence purpose for you? See functions at line 2619 and 2974 as an example for CC 20+: https://github.com/defnull/bottle/blob/master/bottle.py Andriy ---------------------------------------- > To: python-list@python.org > From: robert.kern@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Web Frameworks Excessive Complexity > Date: Wed=2C 21 Nov 2012 12:26:26 +0000 > > On 21/11/2012 12:17=2C Andriy Kornatskyy wrote: > > > > Agreed. I think we have pretty much the same point of view on this. > > > > All these metrics advise you... this is again depends how you look at t= his. If you are a new comer to a project=2C you usually spend some time on = code review=2C talk to people=2C read docs if any. The qa tools for static = code analysis give you an initial picture=2C how it fits with your own visi= on=2C etc. Convince or accept? > > No=2C we don't have the same point of view on this. I think that using me= trics > that have no evidence for their utility is a misleading distraction. > > -- > Robert Kern > > "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma=2C a harmless e= nigma > that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it= had > an underlying truth." > -- Umberto Eco > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list =