Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!204.52.135.9.MISMATCH!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'exception': 0.05; 'debugging': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'editor.': 0.09; 'remotely,': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:209.85.161.174': 0.16; 'script,': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'fix': 0.18; 'subject:problem': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.23; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'figure': 0.29; 'chris': 0.31; 'received:209.85.161': 0.32; 'no,': 0.32; 'file': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'should': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'programmers': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'next': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'some': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.39; 'never': 0.60; 'minutes': 0.61; 'times': 0.64; "you'll": 0.65; 'skill': 0.66; '95%': 0.84; 'have.': 0.93; 'man.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=71IT9OtzAJVMtSKT38au0shGEn8gNM23bfTQLuDR2jg=; b=J//ngc7GoRHzO8053zOiPGQtevgKXpwfEp53iQqXa+8x7QAQ1ZGpyKlPU4tnpkU1ZB 1LBGeHVBHzbqSw95G5EPTuQxG+SkfiWhK6LztZ/a8ICRlmwbpHOXBLKIF6mwED2/siMT ZC4S6tt9d45E2HynXvoejvIa7MVN1uXwlkUZat9GavupqcA2Ru4WpZOL5rKNQavt3mv5 acKjgpgBtbdxjWWWhtysCyA/s65tCBsZL+xpE3xi66htswCzNJIprjoDxcYFWIWjwWVB LiFVuEjg21f3SzCqSY/cEFu4AqVITpdAPGa2of7/+l9OgvSTND6buc0oCWd39dZbmjUJ lRJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fe8181e$0$29866$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4FE79433.8020704@earthlink.net> <4FE7982C.5020708@mrabarnett.plus.com> <4FE79FC9.5050404@earthlink.net> <4fe8181e$0$29866$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:08:07 +1000 Subject: Re: exception problem From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1340611690 news.xs4all.nl 6975 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53435 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24421 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:51:15 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Mind you, I think every programmer should spend some time debugging >> blind. > > You're a cruel, cruel man. > > I suppose next you're going to say that every programmer should spend > some time programming using Notepad as their only editor. No no, that's just *too* nasty. But there are times now and then when, perhaps, you're working remotely, and you have to figure out what's wrong without exception tracebacks. Sure, 95% of programmers will never be in that situation, but it's a good skill to have. And when that disaster _does_ strike and you're stuck with just a file uploader and a crashing script, you'll look awesome for being able to fix it in five minutes flat :) ChrisA