Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'adopted': 0.09; 'means,': 0.09; 'mixed': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; '"by': 0.16; '"python"': 0.16; 'release:': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'this?': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; '3.x': 0.31; 'default,': 0.31; 'fedora': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'linux': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'impression': 0.36; 'view,': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'massive': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'environment.': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'advanced': 0.63; 'decided': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'bothered': 0.68; 'doubts': 0.84; 'to:addr:free.fr': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DNPe9XCX6K7WkaYX64SMdfYCMAZK8naSxgS25+TOAz8=; b=XWp97y3fCEoAc+f4jXja695Sn3dU+uBlKvjOz1BhlTrqq+lATbgu1/Hg0NCfYjVl1P c5Xqb4kn+DJOXRVDvBAuFhcavN2M3YQsBBbtlHml5MT/dVENaCgVkVNjPsg4T0Qb9Z3v g4jH5IAKtVc8P9nl/aK+k8JTjKybph2FV3FPWHDabCOOdjCIgd22XZIICVPBeQlmYNIj Dh0SVrdVBWRjKkNJnUhNdbYLS1zpcdmZEgGUV3op84NYyQIH7jCxaI3Jd9L3YlrGuWTQ iv7J72Qlryvw1H0Yhh1413mEDIiFBGDNxhsXVcBBh5G7aVwFV5AngydIdUNJamwOQHk7 zU0A== X-Received: by 10.236.66.3 with SMTP id g3mr69599yhd.195.1382635866433; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ned Batchelder Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:31:04 -0400 From: Ned Batchelder User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Wyart , python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> <526920c7$0$2268$426a74cc@news.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <526920c7$0$2268$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382636322 news.xs4all.nl 15942 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44688 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57462 On 10/24/13 9:29 AM, Damien Wyart wrote: >> I am starting to have doubts as to whether Python 3.x will ever be >> actually adopted by the Python community at large as their standard. >> Years have passed, and a LARGE number of Python programmers has not >> even bothered learning version 3.x. Why am I bothered by this? Because >> of lot of good libraries are still only for version 2.x, and there is >> no sign of their being updated for v3.x. I get the impression as if >> 3.x, despite being better and more advanced than 2.x from the >> technical point of view, is a bit of a letdown in terms of adoption. > Some Linux distributions will certainly switch to Python 3 by default, > sooner or later. Fedora has decided to do so for their 22 release: > http://lwn.net/Articles/571528/ > I'm not sure what "by default" means, I hope it isn't that "python" runs Python 3.x. That causes massive confusion on Arch, and will make it very difficult to support a mixed environment. --Ned.