Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feed.xsnews.nl!border-3.ams.xsnews.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'algorithm': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.05; 'cpython': 0.05; 'badly': 0.07; 'puts': 0.07; 'pypy': 0.07; 'stack.': 0.07; 'used.': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'compilers.': 0.09; 'facts': 0.09; 'optimizing': 0.09; 'processing,': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'boost.': 0.16; 'compiler,': 0.16; 'decade,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'unicode': 0.17; 'code.': 0.20; 'java': 0.21; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.21; 'assuming': 0.22; 'gcc': 0.22; 'lamp': 0.22; "i'd": 0.22; 'demonstrate': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'possible,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'run': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; 'compatible': 0.30; 'expect': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'anywhere': 0.33; 'right?': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'skip:p 20': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'performance': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'real': 0.61; 'times': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'video': 0.65; 'beat': 0.65; 'amazing,': 0.84; 'manages': 0.84; 'popularity': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w/HJjQIuH/FaOjtMhL8bFGnaM0gzCKnpxlmnvdk2x2o=; b=kqNkXKcjNn/IYTXrf8un9VrIyZiOngP6GoOv+acUd2uyoVVSVZhvJs/4shwSczkNMP giE1raUCWy0pgfZkWS8+W9RGkFshb9ZZKsKE1p1Pdbl6591YimA6y2KPshovM5OYg99g 928jE7qDrXP3ryDzmel4dkETsZNKkpFzCz4CAmUceSCVsLUTlBeBbVvUuMcCkRSb/dqR 5vaW+4D0ZEyz5+tfPaKZPyuFT1J5p1cBYiiNkJMZOKBkXIaPY01/KtTVadN2hwSTUXkb /S5xWtyaRdRngUH8llFJ2VKDoMa8xphaY7+crlOmbfAJ6ldY4Ko6g/XZQZbLROFAvg+M emUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5063a179$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <5061cf25$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5063a179$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:37:35 +1000 Subject: Re: Article on the future of Python From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348724258 news.xs4all.nl 6898 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51999 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30272 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > PyPy is, well, PyPy is amazing, if you have the hardware to run it. It is > an optimizing Python JIT compiler, and it can consistently demonstrate > speeds of about 10 times the speed of CPython, which puts it in the same > ballpark as native code generated by Java compilers. For some (admittedly > artificially narrow) tasks it can beat optimized C code. It's fast enough > for real time video processing, depending on the algorithm used. > > While PyPy is still a work in progress, and is not anywhere near as > mature as (say) gcc or clang, it should be considered production-ready. That's all very well, but unless I have my facts badly wrong, PyPy is only compatible with Python 2 - right? I'd much rather have full Unicode support etc etc etc than the coolness of Python-implemented-in-Python, even with a significant performance boost. > I expect that, within the decade, PyPy will become "the" standard Python > compiler and CPython will be relegated to "merely" the reference > implementation. Assuming it manages to catch up with Py3, which a decade makes entirely possible, this I can well believe. And while we're sounding all hopeful, maybe Python will be on popularity par with every other P in the classic LAMP stack. *That* would be a Good Thing. ChrisA