Path: csiph.com!eeepc.pasdenom.info!news.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; '(although': 0.07; 'hettinger': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'subject:Source': 0.09; 'x-mailer:evolution 2.28.3': 0.09; 'syntax': 0.10; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'comfortable': 0.15; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.17; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; '(or': 0.21; 'raymond': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.23; '(and': 0.23; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.24; 'worked': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'developers': 0.25; "isn't": 0.26; 'changes': 0.26; '(1)': 0.27; "what's": 0.29; 'thanks': 0.30; 'are:': 0.30; 'language.': 0.30; 'however': 0.30; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'source': 0.31; 'exactly': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'sat,': 0.33; 'under': 0.33; 'tim': 0.36; 'think': 0.37; '(2)': 0.37; 'docs': 0.37; 'help': 0.38; 'might': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'relevant': 0.62; 'regularly': 0.65; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.72; 'biggest': 0.74; 'received:bethere.co.uk': 0.84; 'thesis': 0.84 Subject: Re: Use the Source Luke From: Tim Wintle To: Raymond Hettinger In-Reply-To: References: <094f6fc5-7242-46c7-b454-4cb29d0c6ef9@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <87tygs1v6g.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Team Rubber Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:47:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 87.194.110.230 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tim.wintle@teamrubber.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on megamail.netsight.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: tim.wintle@teamrubber.com List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1296401513 news.xs4all.nl 81478 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:48765 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55769 On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 21:17 -0800, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > My thesis is that we can do even better than that by adding > direct links from the docs to the relevant code with nice > syntax highlighting. +1 - I think the source links are very useful (and thanks for pushing them). However I think the biggest changes that have probably happened with python itself are: (1) More users for whom this is their first language. (2) CS courses / training not teaching C (or pointer-based languages). (2) is especially important IMO - under half of the python developers I have regularly worked with would feel comfortable reading C - so for the other half reading C source code probably isn't going to help them understand exactly what's going on (although in the long run it might help them a lot) Tim Wintle