Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; '"""': 0.05; 'vi,': 0.07; 'subject:still': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'do,': 0.15; 'desktop.': 0.16; 'emacs,': 0.16; 'forty': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'pry': 0.16; 'scripts.': 0.16; 'later': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'else,': 0.17; 'hacking': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'tim': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'contributed': 0.20; 'written': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'own.': 0.22; "i've": 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'generous': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'running': 0.32; 'his/her': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'guys': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'along': 0.35; 'machines': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'think': 0.40; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.60; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'dead': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'alike': 0.84; 'choices.': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:38:40 -0900 From: Tim Johnson To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? Mail-Followup-To: python-list@python.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: AkWebsoft X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356828245 news.xs4all.nl 6900 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38073 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35794 * Grant Edwards [121229 10:02]: > On 2012-12-27, mogul wrote: > > > I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained > > on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim. > > > > Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop. > > > > Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, > > No. > > > or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 > > years too for me? I've been using vim for 12 years now. And it works pretty good for me as an "IDE". I've written a lot of vimscripts to make vim better do my bidding and made generous use of contributed scripts. I see no reason to think that I would be more productive using anything else, but that is just me. Along the way, I did use emacs as well and ended doing quite a bit of elisping. Elisp does have the advantage of asynchronously running the interpereter inside of the editor.... Just one thing that I wouldn't mind seeing in vim..... I do find vim a bit more nimble than emacs, but each to his/her own. It's wonderful to have all of the choices. """ They'll take away my vim when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. """ -- Tim tim at tee jay forty nine dot com or akwebsoft dot com http://www.akwebsoft.com