Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.nosignal.org!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'lines,': 0.05; 'column': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'cursor': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'dec': 0.15; '"move': 0.16; 'ah,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'hurt.': 0.16; 'screen,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'allows': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'separate': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'there.': 0.28; 'lines': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; '"in': 0.29; 'far,': 0.29; 'loop,': 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'front': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'there,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; '30,': 0.62; 'our': 0.65; 'computers': 0.69; 'standing': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'afford': 0.93; 'estate,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WAM2ukalpu98iSQCW6KLq4g6QiqZxbCkYQF97yTtMuk=; b=Q1fYuMmIiqXY0cFScvYUKri9EREOk2Mc7SUo1yht6z7iHRB1thhxuTs8OYaHiq0As0 DKRNqZhPFiU1OnCpR7WYvTqGcH0yMJjH/6EF7oNmwIXE6f4yatqejk8izlUxBJxpXik7 fh5zLq8+fJqGgx/DZMpfCVylFVAqVmHq3vBQLjiGg+7FwX2hv7u4GfaSnL8xQcD3DWYQ Y5t7H5Oiqw/Ciwhj62ulOGJnPS6YU1nnK/tIW60qt6cSl8fcrBdmRH3kS4jZqhLVPIo7 fEV3x6ESyuPOJJm9VIkPomn8UeMcRFCaSMKYLcoBANdtVT85kAmOWR0Zm1btIpkHfdLr Srrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50DF7168.50002@lightbird.net> References: <50DF7168.50002@lightbird.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:16:05 +1100 Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356822975 news.xs4all.nl 6919 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47980 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35789 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote: > On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> >>> "In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other >>> >for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back >>> >up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ..." >>> > >>> >with: >>> > >>> >"On line 647, why do you ..." >> >> Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor >> position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real >> estate. > > > I have to disagree -- if someone is standing next to you > and they want to refer to a particular line, they can't > really tell you "move the cursor to that line there, so I > can read its line number from status line and then tell > you I'm referring to that line". Ah, to clarify: We have our separate computers in front of us. So when I quote a line number, it's by looking at my screen, and allows him to synchronize his display. Of course, if you can afford the real estate, and as long as they're not distracting, a column of numbers doesn't hurt. ChrisA