Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:mail- vc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; 'beautifully': 0.16; 'chap': 0.16; 'contributors': 0.16; 'foul': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iirc': 0.16; 'nevertheless': 0.16; 'torn': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'pieces': 0.17; 'sort': 0.21; "i've": 0.23; 'thus': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; '[1]': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'actual': 0.28; 'received:209.85.220.174': 0.29; 'trigger': 0.29; 'url:2008': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'error': 0.30; 'sense': 0.31; 'gets': 0.32; "who's": 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'test': 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'science': 0.38; 'advice': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'is.': 0.62; '26,': 0.65; 'reasons,': 0.65; 'stuck': 0.65; 'url:10': 0.65; 'url:co': 0.66; 'benefit': 0.70; 'steady': 0.71; '"what': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; 'lee,': 0.84; 'taxonomy': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.91; 'rankings': 0.91; 'xah': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AF9R+eZ/F71Ratc2AFOk5B4st9EsPlAS/JCN6HBZwxQ=; b=xkEqgJKgkpm1etP5zi3+8Rb1o+CmalzyPrjy4OQqy8Cvg3EsWbG4ouDJncrdMAGfi4 8E0MB9EPWjFBNw6HaaTrh5waqGovwgJnKOMgTpTFKoIF+PlNh92PcbE4ZShQ/Z6CErwC 3Y/V3MSF9vUwiZHA7tBLJR4XHAqjlCp/hWOvi2d93WhvCk3Vvx+1JxWt88pF60ly1WiB QuJgMIMvwnkPiBPT/pV9KV+3pzUtMGFm54gx/YSttiUAF1zXQhG7c4/JBgJPFys7BShu Rbwf9cJmlcnuhiFH6MEvugfT/fXQ7P3Qbh2v1J5Ze6KogNIt7Gcl0RXg/J7Sq30NVTGP qH9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5062AC20.6060904@stoneleaf.us> <506303C2.8090802@tysdomain.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:51:08 +1000 Subject: Re: Article on the future of Python From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348667472 news.xs4all.nl 6855 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38601 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30203 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 26/09/2012 14:31, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > >> >> PS: Anyone know if rantingrik had relatives? ;) >> > > I say steady on old chap that's just not cricket. I've been known to have a > go at rr in the past for good reasons, but when he gets stuck into Tkinter > he is an extremely useful contributor. I certainly prefer him to Xah Lee, > who's attempts at improving Python documentation were beautifully torn to > pieces here, IIRC by Ethan Furman, apologies to him and the actual author if > I'm incorrect. You know how people sometimes ask "What sort of idiot do you think I am??!?", thus falling foul of the sage advice "Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle" [1]... well, on this list, it makes good sense to ask what sort of troll someone is. We even have Troll Rankings in which there's very definite striations of "useful contributors who sometimes troll", "useless people who nevertheless trigger interesting threads", and "utterly useless flamers". Troll taxonomy is a science we could all benefit from studying... ChrisA [1] eg http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/24/bofh_2008_episode_34/