Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'exercise': 0.04; 'broke': 0.09; 'parameter': 0.09; 'pgp': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '23,': 0.16; 'assembler': 0.16; 'eof,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'subject:Line': 0.16; 'subject:Reading': 0.16; 'sudo': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'command': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'input': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'shell': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'keyboard': 0.24; 'specifies': 0.24; 'specify': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'read,': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'end,': 0.31; 'era': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'this.': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'passwords': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'manually': 0.60; 'reaching': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'here': 0.66; 'believe': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'goal': 0.75; 'console,': 0.84; 'subject:After': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'achievable': 0.91; 'was:': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'subject:From': 0.97 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:09:36 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python CC: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Reading From stdin After Command Line Redirection References: <7cdlja-j3j2.ln1@ozzie.tundraware.com> <7wli1jemvg.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1382562096.2967.37713425.4901765B@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:09:43 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: r9O09hHm093484 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382574076 news.xs4all.nl 15871 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48910 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57396 On 10/23/2013 05:20 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > random832@fastmail.us writes: > >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013, at 16:52, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> There are times when this is correct behaviour - like asking for >>> passwords (SSH and sudo work like this). >> >> Less (or pagers generally, or an interactive text editor that allows >> creating a file from standard input) would be another example of a >> program where it makes sense to do this. > > You're both describing programs that read the console, which is not what > the OP was asking for. The OP was asking about re-opening stdin after > reaching EOF, which is incoherent as far as I understand it. > > I'm still waiting for the OP to clarify what they want to do. > 'Easy there Rainman, the question is entirely coherent, though it may not be achievable this way. The goal of the exercise was: - Read a file the user specifies via command line redirection - When the file is fully read, return to reading keyboard input with things like raw_input and get_pass which I believe use stdin as a source ... probably to avoid having to manually cope with ttys and ptys themselves. One of those two functions - I don't recall which - was giving me a problem with stdin redirected. In the end, I broke down and added a command line parameter to specify which file to read in so that stdin would be unaffected. Now that I think about it, as I recall from the prehistoric era of writing lots of assembler and C, if you use shell redirection, stdin shows up as a handle to the file and there is no way to retrieve/reset it its default association with the tty/pty. Since python is layered on top of this, I expect the same would be the case here as well. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/