Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin3!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '2to3': 0.09; 'adopted': 0.09; 'run,': 0.09; 'unmodified': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'wrote': 0.14; 'mostly': 0.14; '23,': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'plan.': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'think.': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'small,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'coding': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'this?': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; "aren't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'moved': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'impression': 0.36; 'in.': 0.36; 'view,': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'project': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'moving': 0.39; 'according': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'advanced': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'bothered': 0.68; 'commanded': 0.84; 'doubts': 0.84; 'liking': 0.84; 'python-dev': 0.84; 'differences': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ynflS8ndRoXkhzE3tIksKeipbUM4VDh8/M9ZcoXhx4I=; b=o9tc2L6sJTszU6L+kVMv3JEcmzM567gFVWm0nUkogpoWfwdIGv7S/mXa4o4N4l+8BU SWyoLi2ZZIlD0hnep8uJjupaML51Z3GvR22duuzJO9zLgVN8Ui/EkOR19IIdiEivsemd gzCkG6goKKX/+0paM/zynBmKkSBc0CsxDugKQIfKsRNn9D5CqtwzbTt+mD0QahZsqgPe /7vlAyNrJ6T64BuP+gEqPPlaass1qqEQYi7mr1rDInkUpbFNaR2vbzSl6VlRJCRn4YrG qS8k5nBiePAogjRe8Kq/yoYw+gfAqqCeyDueEXR3Y4Q5CaXfNcGC6WwDrWDIu/swn5sU xmOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.198.5 with SMTP id iy5mr3573112wic.45.1382559309573; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:15:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? From: Dan Stromberg To: dufriz@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b624e2a87355b04e96e2cca Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382559312 news.xs4all.nl 15982 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41479 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57380 --047d7b624e2a87355b04e96e2cca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:57 AM, wrote: > I am starting to have doubts as to whether Python 3.x will ever be > actually adopted by the Python community at large as their standard. Years > have passed, and a LARGE number of Python programmers has not even bothered > learning version 3.x. Why am I bothered by this? Because of lot of good > libraries are still only for version 2.x, and there is no sign of their > being updated for v3.x. I get the impression as if 3.x, despite being > better and more advanced than 2.x from the technical point of view, is a > bit of a letdown in terms of adoption. When 3.x came out, the python-dev folks practically commanded us to wait a while before diving in. I think things are mostly going according to plan. I think some little-used libraries will never get moved over. We've been seeing that 2to3 and 3to2 aren't really the main way of moving things to 3.x; instead, we're seeing a lot of code written to run, unmodified on both 2.x and 3.x. This was a bit of a surprise, I think. A document I wrote about how to do this is at http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~dstromberg/Intro-to-Python/ I find the differences between 2.x and 3.x rather small, actually. If some people keep chanting "never going to happen", it probably won't - for them. Personally, I've been coding greenfield projects in 3.x only and liking it, and I wrote one ~10,000 line project to run on both: http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/backshift/ HTH --047d7b624e2a87355b04e96e2cca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:57 AM, <dufriz@gmail.com> wrote:
I am starting to have doubts as to whether Python 3.x will ever be actually= adopted by the Python community at large as their standard. Years have pas= sed, and a LARGE number of Python programmers has not even bothered learnin= g version 3.x. Why am I bothered by this? Because of lot of good libraries = are still only for version 2.x, and there is no sign of their being updated= for v3.x. I get the impression as if 3.x, despite being better and more ad= vanced than 2.x from the technical point of view, is a bit of a letdown in = terms of adoption.

When 3.x came out, the python-dev folks practically com= manded us to wait a while before diving in.=A0 I think things are mostly go= ing according to plan.

I think some little-used libraries= will never get moved over.

We've been seeing that 2to3 and 3to2 aren't really t= he main way of moving things to 3.x; instead, we're seeing a lot of cod= e written to run, unmodified on both 2.x and 3.x.=A0 This was a bit of a su= rprise, I think.=A0 A document I wrote about how to do this is at http://stro= mberg.dnsalias.org/~dstromberg/Intro-to-Python/

I find the differences between 2.x and 3.x rather small, actually.=A0 I= f some people keep chanting "never going to happen", it probably = won't - for them.

Personally, I've been coding gr= eenfield projects in 3.x only and liking it, and I wrote one ~10,000 line p= roject to run on both: http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/backshift/

HTH

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